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post #21 of 79
If you can swing an 860k and a video card, do it.

The Pentium again, has the benefit of those great performing haswell cores, but it is REALLY going to choke as we move forward....
Again, I have seen reports of games being non playable on the Pentium. GTA V being one of which was completely untestable for benchmarking GPU's.
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I'd skip the Athlon. I've had multiple variants up to 4.7Ghz and they just aren't very good. G3258 is OK, but similar performance to the Athlons with stuttering unless 2 cores are needed at maximum and has a slight upgrade path. The i3 will overall be better with a slight upgrade path(socket will be outdated soon). The i3 will be around the OCd Athlons in productivity and smash it in gaming.

The 270 is a great card.

OP you can buy cheaper components. Your case can be a cheapo low end Antec or budget name and be replaced later. H81 motherboards are dirt cheap. PSU can be an cheap 450 watt OEM seasonic or something like an Antec VP-450\Earthwatts and be replaced later. Check around for used stuff. Case, memory and GPUs are great things to buy second hand whenever possible. My downgraded computer cost like 350 Canadian and spanks i3\Athlon systems.
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Bonjour, si t'as besoin d'aide en anglais, n'hésite pas me contacter smile.gif

First thing, where would you be shopping, what store? Where can you order from, based on that, we could help you build your system.
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I'd recommend an FX-83** if you had the supporting cast, but a 500 euro build won't leave much room for CPU, motherboard, power, and cooling, AND the need for GPU...
I still stand with the 7850k recommendation.

You'd have 4 cores, and a decent GPU to game at 720P (maybe some 900/1080P in there too) with.
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This is what I came up with (if your prices are comparable to Germany). If the R9 270 you would be getting at 110 Euro, you would be under 500 total.

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CPU: AMD Athlon X4 860K 3.7GHz Quad-Core Processor (€84.45 @ Amazon Deutschland)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (€34.70 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard: ASRock FM2A88M-HD+ Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard (€56.89 @ Home of Hardware DE)
Memory: Corsair XMS3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (€63.70 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: Mushkin Chronos 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (€60.03 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 270X 2GB Video Card (€170.50 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Case: BitFenix Neos White ATX Mid Tower Case (€39.99 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 450W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (€55.28 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Total: €565.54
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This is what I came up with (if your prices are comparable to Germany). If the R9 270 you would be getting at 110 Euro, you would be under 500 total.

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CPU: AMD Athlon X4 860K 3.7GHz Quad-Core Processor (€84.45 @ Amazon Deutschland)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (€34.70 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard: ASRock FM2A88M-HD+ Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard (€56.89 @ Home of Hardware DE)
Memory: Corsair XMS3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (€63.70 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: Mushkin Chronos 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (€60.03 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 270X 2GB Video Card (€170.50 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Case: BitFenix Neos White ATX Mid Tower Case (€39.99 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 450W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (€55.28 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Total: €565.54
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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That's honestly as good as you could ask for from a build in this price range....
That will game at at 720P-900P for quite some time, and you are covered for DX12.

It'd be pretty good with power, wouldn't run awfully hot, and though it won't do any one thing great, it will do everything fairly well.
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for begin thank you for your patience and your help
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Good luck with your build! Most importantly, enjoy!
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post #29 of 79
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after, i try to understand all information.
but i dont understand 2-3 things ....


1- if i understand i must to buy minimum 4 cores
2-for the fan ok i know it
3- for the mainboard , i think it's not the best ... not dissipator
4-for the memory ... why stay at 1600 mhz ? the cpu accept a 2133 mhz and a lot of mainboard accept 2400 or 2600 or more
5- for the ssd no problem i can to choice
6- for the gpu , i ve a 270 r9 but its not best to choose a r7 250/260/265 oc ?
7-for the case it's personal
8- ok for the supply , must a 80+


what do you mean ?smile.gif
post #30 of 79
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i add , it's not better to take a gtx 750 oc for example than the amd r7/r9 ????

i listen nvidia is very near her client and purpose the good driver for all games wink.gif

amd purpose her driver 4-5 times for year mad.gif
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