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I stopped updating the drivers for my 780 around 32x.xx or something like that (320.49 maybe?). I tried some of the more recent ones and had problems. No reason for Kepler owners to be using newer drivers.
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Has anyone asked how the 290/290x are becoming better while the 780/790ti are becoming slower to Nvidia? I am curious to see how they respond.
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R9 285 beating 7970 GHz. That's is pretty amazing.
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As I said in another thread, this may very well bring short term dividends to Nvidia, but will ultimately bring them long term losses. Imagine if people buying a 780 Ti would have been told at launch that their cards would only get one year of optimized drivers - would you value such a card at $699? Would you buy one at all? This is what may happen in the future. Who is going to buy a Titan X or a 980 Ti one year before Pascal arrives?

I went 5 months without a new driver from AMD from December's Omega Catalysts that were finished in November to March on a dual GPU card, with no way disable CFX.

It's not like we are just littered with choices of vendors at the moment.

Not to mention, we used to accept that all new architectures have teething. As driver's mature over launch drivers performance improves. If 980 and the 780 Ti were neck and neck at launch, I would have no doubt that 6 months towards a year, it would readily be out performing my card.

In addition, GCN architecture improvements are all AMD focuses on. One architecture, while nVidia has 3 separate ones. I don't expect the same focus of support for my card when the new architecture is on the shelves from nVidia. That's just kind of a given.

I am not entirely convinced that Kepler's performance in two titles shows an abandonment of the card either. I would probably say give it a couple weeks or a month, get post launch patches into the game and drivers, and see how it performs. Especially on these console ports, they seem to really benefit from getting as much VRAM as possible upfront too advantages that seem to really pay off for the 970/980 cards.
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I went 5 months without a new driver from AMD from December's Omega Catalysts that were finished in November to March on a dual GPU card, with no way disable CFX.

It's not like we are just littered with choices of vendors at the moment.

Not to mention, we used to accept that all new architectures have teething. As driver's mature over launch drivers performance improves. If 980 and the 780 Ti were neck and neck at launch, I would have no doubt that 6 months towards a year, it would readily be out performing my card.

In addition, GCN architecture improvements are all AMD focuses on. One architecture, while nVidia has 3 separate ones. I don't expect the same focus of support for my card when the new architecture is on the shelves from nVidia. That's just kind of a given.

I am not entirely convinced that Kepler's performance in two titles shows an abandonment of the card either. I would probably say give it a couple weeks or a month, get post launch patches into the game and drivers, and see how it performs. Especially on these console ports, they seem to really benefit from getting as much VRAM as possible upfront too advantages that seem to really pay off for the 970/980 cards.


I really hope you are right. I truly feel sorry for my friends and peers who bought Kepler graphics cards instead of GCN (more so the latecomers who bought 780s etc later on secondhand). With what I've been reading on OCN and other forums as well as Reddit, I can't imagine people being too happy if this "planned obsolescence" strategy turns out to be true for NVIDIA, especially the GTX 970 owners who had to suffer through the whole 3.5GB issue.
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I went 5 months without a new driver from AMD from December's Omega Catalysts that were finished in November to March on a dual GPU card, with no way disable CFX.

It's not like we are just littered with choices of vendors at the moment.

Not to mention, we used to accept that all new architectures have teething. As driver's mature over launch drivers performance improves. If 980 and the 780 Ti were neck and neck at launch, I would have no doubt that 6 months towards a year, it would readily be out performing my card.

In addition, GCN architecture improvements are all AMD focuses on. One architecture, while nVidia has 3 separate ones. I don't expect the same focus of support for my card when the new architecture is on the shelves from nVidia. That's just kind of a given.

I am not entirely convinced that Kepler's performance in two titles shows an abandonment of the card either. I would probably say give it a couple weeks or a month, get post launch patches into the game and drivers, and see how it performs. Especially on these console ports, they seem to really benefit from getting as much VRAM as possible upfront too advantages that seem to really pay off for the 970/980 cards.


I really hope you are right. I truly feel sorry for my friends and peers who bought Kepler graphics cards instead of GCN (more so the latecomers who bought 780s etc later on secondhand). With what I've been reading on OCN and other forums as well as Reddit, I can't imagine people being too happy if this "planned obsolescence" strategy turns out to be true for NVIDIA, especially the GTX 970 owners who had to suffer through the whole 3.5GB issue.

Nobody would be happy if it turned out true, and I dare say, nVidia would be sued hard enough that the CEO would have to step down.

There is way too much opinion and misinformation being spread around and a lot of people are purposely trying to spin the information. To me that undermines the issues at hand that can help us identify the causes, two games not performing well on Keplers. ProjectCARs and now Witcher 3. It does nothing to aid users in identifying the causes, and it just stokes the fire of upset consumers.

Two console ports both of them shortly after launch were benched, or review benched. I can't remember a launch title that performed miraculously well at launch in years. Now suddenly it's a conspiracy. Of course it doesn't help that nVidia rushed out a WHQL "game ready" driver for Witcher 3 (that does have many users reporting bugs) to show that it's ready. It's obvious that driver was "hurried" for launch though if you hop inside the driver thread. I have even had a few lighting / texture issues with it in GTA V.

The performance in Witcher 3 has been directly tied to the level tessellation in HairWorks both AMD and nVidia. As well as config setting of 8xMSAA on hair. These have boosted performance as high as 40% by lower tessellation levels in AMD and changing the AA level. So it may not be something that needs to be patched but tweaked by users. Maxwell tessellation prowess is supposedly higher than Keplers, which is higher still than AMD. I haven't seen any recent testing though to confirm that. This could explain why Maxwell based architecture is performing so much better. A perfectly sound explanation.
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295x2 worse than 290x... uh huh
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R9 285 beating 7970 GHz. That's is pretty amazing.

It has much better tessellation performance, that's probably a large part of it.
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The performance in Witcher 3 has been directly tied to the level tessellation in HairWorks both AMD and nVidia. As well as config setting of 8xMSAA on hair. These have boosted performance as high as 40% by lower tessellation levels in AMD and changing the AA level. So it may not be something that needs to be patched but tweaked by users. Maxwell tessellation prowess is supposedly higher than Keplers, which is higher still than AMD. I haven't seen any recent testing though to confirm that. This could explain why Maxwell based architecture is performing so much better. A perfectly sound explanation.

Not entirely true though. Even with hairworks OFF the performance is not up to snuff with the 960 being 3 frames behind a 780. (This is going by just guru3ds posted review there are other benches showing the same)

If it was just hairworks, the maxwell efficiency at tess could explain it. As it stands, something is hitting kepler cards extra hard even without hairworks and I think it's that along with other titles that's got people spooked. At least spooked enough that Nvidia is asking for further information and has acknowledged that they're "looking into it"

I don't want to hop on the bandwagon just yet, but I'm definitely keeping an eye out to see how this plays out.
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The performance in Witcher 3 has been directly tied to the level tessellation in HairWorks both AMD and nVidia. As well as config setting of 8xMSAA on hair. These have boosted performance as high as 40% by lower tessellation levels in AMD and changing the AA level. So it may not be something that needs to be patched but tweaked by users. Maxwell tessellation prowess is supposedly higher than Keplers, which is higher still than AMD. I haven't seen any recent testing though to confirm that. This could explain why Maxwell based architecture is performing so much better. A perfectly sound explanation.

Not entirely true though. Even with hairworks OFF the performance is not up to snuff with the 960 being 3 frames behind a 780. (This is going by just guru3ds posted review there are other benches showing the same)

If it was just hairworks, the maxwell efficiency at tess could explain it. As it stands, something is hitting kepler cards extra hard even without hairworks and I think it's that along with other titles that's got people spooked. At least spooked enough that Nvidia is asking for further information and has acknowledged that they're "looking into it"

I don't want to hop on the bandwagon just yet, but I'm definitely keeping an eye out to see how this plays out.

This is where if I had the title (and not tied up at work running Exchange) I would benchmark each setting to find out what's causing performance issues. Usually starting with reflections and shadows.

Scientific method has served us much better than pitchforks and torches ever did. Then we can be like "Yo ManuelG, your driver team is high, reflections are broke yo."

People are claiming all kinds of things like 30 FPS on everything low... without judging the image quality, I would say the game was broken or they are trying to run 4K with DSR set to 2.00x.
Edited by RagingCain - 5/20/15 at 12:32pm
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