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rolleyes.gif Come on people. - I thought people on OCN were supposed to be intelligent?

No source email in ANY of the articles has been named as ACTUALLY being Google Fiber...

TF, ET, ZDnet, not a single SOURCE email.

I get emails from Jesus, daily - Should I start news of the resurrection?

Sheep will be sheep - Time to join the shepherds, folks.
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Dude, that is basically what I said. rolleyes.gif
And since anyone with an IQ above 75 can spoof an IP address, all this garbage does is basically amount to unsubstantiated harassment by your ISP.

No, it is us as ISPs following the law and protecting ourselves.

If we do not forward the claims, which is what Google is doing, we as the ISP can then be found liable for the "losses". Each ISP is free to determine if they want to forward them or not, and assume the financial risks. Most of us forward then because it costs us far less than our attorneys charge to fight back if they come to us.

In almost every case, 99.99%+, the IP they have is the abuser. In the decades + doing this, I think maybe a handful of the letters turned out to be false positives. All the others the customer was stealing.

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your shocked that people with money get their way? Well, would you like to be one of them? Because I know a Nigerian prince...
Well we agreed to have nothing be above the constitution and after that above the law. So the fact it happens is wrong I do understand that douches with too much money and a greed for more get what they want. (sounds like a jewish stereotype)

It's evil but I expect a response from Google soon if this wasn't their doing than we trash them for other evil activities. (not the band)
post #44 of 105
Seems like a sensationalist article. The blame is more along the lines of the organization attempting to pursue DMCA actions than Google which is forwarding along the notices.

You also are generally 'doing it wrong' if you get these notices to begin with.
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Are you required to register an email address with Google Fiber? I've never had to give any ISP I've ever used my email address before, I always assumed if there was a serious DMCA notice, copyright infringement or other legal issue with my internet usage that I would be notified via phone or mail. I would assume all of these emails were scams.

They tie your service into a google account. You can sign up for a throwaway gmail account if you wanted to, but that's the platform they use to send you notices like installation date as well as bill notices and similar.
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Well we agreed to have nothing be above the constitution and after that above the law. So the fact it happens is wrong I do understand that douches with too much money and a greed for more get what they want. (sounds like a jewish stereotype)

It's evil but I expect a response from Google soon if this wasn't their doing than we trash them for other evil activities. (not the band)

Sounds like you've got loads of reading to do or are just being politically correct.
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In almost every case, 99.99%+, the IP they have is the abuser. In the decades + doing this, I think maybe a handful of the letters turned out to be false positives. All the others the customer was stealing.

Well, they must love my IP then, because when I'm doing certain things, I'm usually coming out of Stockholm Sweden, Montreal Canada, Mexico City Mexico, Bonn Germany, etc. with my IP. biggrin.gif
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Well, they must love my IP then, because when I'm doing certain things, I'm usually coming out of Stockholm Sweden, Montreal Canada, Mexico City Mexico, Bonn Germany, etc. with my IP. biggrin.gif

Connecting to a VPN/Proxy creates a false-positive...You actually have to remove yourself from the DNS in order to connect to the proxied server, realistically, the host DNS never actually loses your IP, it sits in reserve.

Depending on the VPN/Proxy you connect with as well, you're still piggybacking through the same DNS...The data-flow never actually ends...You're just now using your DNS essentially as a node...

So, they know where you are - The question becomes what you're doing...

The beauty of ToR is that the algorithm changes and scrambles the exit node so - The ISP doesn't know much beyond whatever snippets it gets...That being said, if you're just straight up connecting to VPN X/Y/Z - They have you by the balls.

It's actually never really been a question of where you are, it's always been one of what you're doing.

The ultimate question is one of effort - always has been - Is it worth pursuing you? - Litigation, threats, fees, lawyer fees both ways, customer service - I remember seeing a cost of financial acquisition that was like 80c per $1...20c net profit isn't worth it unless you're desperate and I assure you, google is NOT desperate.

I still think this is some phising scam and the original recipient was too stupid to actually follow through with the source - If you notice, no news article actually posted, has the source email - They simply refer to it as "google fiber" - Well, Google Fiber, doesn't send out emails as "Google Fiber" so...Again, use your brains folks.

They also wouldn't email you, anyway - they'd initially send you a physical letter...Just saying.
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Connecting to a VPN/Proxy creates a false-positive...You actually have to remove yourself from the DNS in order to connect to the proxied server, realistically, the host DNS never actually loses your IP, it sits in reserve.

Depending on the VPN/Proxy you connect with as well, you're still piggybacking through the same DNS...The data-flow never actually ends...You're just now using your DNS essentially as a node...

So, they know where you are - The question becomes what you're doing...

The beauty of ToR is that the algorithm changes and scrambles the exit node so - The ISP doesn't know much beyond whatever snippets it gets...That being said, if you're just straight up connecting to VPN X/Y/Z - They have you by the balls.

It's actually never really been a question of where you are, it's always been one of what you're doing.

The ultimate question is one of effort - always has been - Is it worth pursuing you? - Litigation, threats, fees, lawyer fees both ways, customer service - I remember seeing a cost of financial acquisition that was like 80c per $1...20c net profit isn't worth it unless you're desperate and I assure you, google is NOT desperate.

I still think this is some phising scam and the original recipient was too stupid to actually follow through with the source - If you notice, no news article actually posted, has the source email - They simply refer to it as "google fiber" - Well, Google Fiber, doesn't send out emails as "Google Fiber" so...Again, use your brains folks.

They also wouldn't email you, anyway - they'd initially send you a physical letter...Just saying.

I won't lie, I like to call - the shock and fear in their voice. That moment they realize the Internet is very small and they are found that easy.

EDIT:

Oh, and all the VPN talk just needs to stop. Really.

Outside of us, here at OCN, Privacy VPNs are hardly used. I would wager less than 1% of residential traffic is using a VPN.
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No, it is us as ISPs following the law and protecting ourselves.

If we do not forward the claims, which is what Google is doing, we as the ISP can then be found liable for the "losses". Each ISP is free to determine if they want to forward them or not, and assume the financial risks. Most of us forward then because it costs us far less than our attorneys charge to fight back if they come to us.

In almost every case, 99.99%+, the IP they have is the abuser. In the decades + doing this, I think maybe a handful of the letters turned out to be false positives. All the others the customer was stealing.

How do you determine false positives and stuff? Is that after they go trough the legal process? I can see these emails easily abused just like those stupid DMCA notices. There was something recent about TopGear spamming everyone including sites like IMDB. But, i do see some validity to what your saying.... how would they get my IP? Only thing i can think of (legally) is scanning torrent trackers. If they see you on a tracker for ____ , well good, they should be able to send you an email saying STOP. At the same time, they need to provide some sort of evidence or proof that you were. Around 8 years ago I got a call from my ISP telling me to stop torrenting a TV show.... They knew the name of the show, and they were right. Thats the ISP's which have a bit more control of the data (i was not encrypting my torrents) so their system was able to easily flag it and call me out on it.

But i really do wonder about the false positives though... It could be that the people who are receiving these letters that claim to not be doing that, have kids that just lie to them about it. Son, have you been downloading Game of Trones? No dad, I never have... why do you ask?
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I won't lie, I like to call - the shock and fear in their voice. That moment they realize the Internet is very small and they are found that easy.

EDIT:

Oh, and all the VPN talk just needs to stop. Really.

Outside of us, here at OCN, Privacy VPNs are hardly used. I would wager less than 1% of residential business traffic is using a VPN.

I think there's a serious misconception that exists on OCN as well - Somehow by mystically connecting to a Proxy/VPN you're thereby immune to //EVERYTHING//.

That's not real life, people.

You are //STILL// connected through your DNS when you load that proxy. That ISP KNOWS without question, you're on a VPN. Depending on the VPN you use, the only question is one of CONTENT.

Either you're using Tor/1 or 2 other services and they can only see your data flow - Or they're tracking everything you download.

Again, per the ISP, the question is EFFORT - Are they going to waste the time, trying to recoup something legally questionable, or are they just going ignore you and move along. Unless you're a POWER USER, they ignore you.

Acquisition costs per $ are STUPID SMALL...So you're not worth their time...Unless, you make yourself worth it.

P.S. - I've been at a customer's house when they got the call...I couldn't stop laughing outside. thumb.gif
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