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How do you determine false positives and stuff? Is that after they go trough the legal process? I can see these emails easily abused just like those stupid DMCA notices. There was something recent about TopGear spamming everyone including sites like IMDB. But, i do see some validity to what your saying.... how would they get my IP? Only thing i can think of (legally) is scanning torrent trackers. If they see you on a tracker for ____ , well good, they should be able to send you an email saying STOP. At the same time, they need to provide some sort of evidence or proof that you were. Around 8 years ago I got a call from my ISP telling me to stop torrenting a TV show.... They knew the name of the show, and they were right. Thats the ISP's which have a bit more control of the data (i was not encrypting my torrents) so their system was able to easily flag it and call me out on it.

But i really do wonder about the false positives though... It could be that the people who are receiving these letters that claim to not be doing that, have kids that just lie to them about it. Son, have you been downloading Game of Trones? No dad, I never have... why do you ask?

How do they get your IP? I assume you are talking about situations of using a VPN.

The easiest way is that some of the most prolific seeders are actually MPAA/RIAA associated systems. They purposefully seed music/video/whatever onto popular networks that carry a small bit of code that lets E.T. phone home when he arrives. Although, as I said, the extreme majority of people don't actually use a VPN and just download-at-will.

Bonus round: The people that download these bugged materials? They typically like to "share" as well, and send them directly to friends/family - tracker and all!

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Unless you are using specific VPNs, configured a specific way, on machines configured in a specific way (and technically on a connection configured in a specific way) you can be found! It is just a matter of effort v.s. reward.
    
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I think there's a serious misconception that exists on OCN as well - Somehow by mystically connecting to a Proxy/VPN you're thereby immune to //EVERYTHING//.

That's not real life, people.

You are //STILL// connected through your DNS when you load that proxy. That ISP KNOWS without question, you're on a VPN. Depending on the VPN you use, the only question is one of CONTENT.

Either you're using Tor/1 or 2 other services and they can only see your data flow - Or they're tracking everything you download.

Again, per the ISP, the question is EFFORT - Are they going to waste the time, trying to recoup something legally questionable, or are they just going ignore you and move along. Unless you're a POWER USER, they ignore you.

Acquisition costs per $ are STUPID SMALL...So you're not worth their time...Unless, you make yourself worth it.

P.S. - I've been at a customer's house when they got the call...I couldn't stop laughing outside. thumb.gif

Isn't VPN over SSL supposed to stop DPI so they can't tell you're on a VPN?
    
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Isn't VPN over SSL supposed to stop DPI so they can't tell you're on a VPN?

Maybe 10 years ago...Now they just monitor data flow.

Edit* - I'll clarify.

So if you're using the DNS now as a node - The ISP can actually SEE that it's not being used as a source anymore...Therefor, you're connected, elsewhere.

It's not 10 years ago where it takes me 2 days of monitoring to vet your source - Now it's a click, maybe a phone call and I'm "in like Flynn".

Even still, it's always been a question of risk/reward - 99% of the time, you're just not worth the effort...
Edited by Masked - 5/21/15 at 12:30pm
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Maybe 10 years ago...Now they just monitor data flow.

Hmm, well even if the ISP can see you're on a VPN the MPAA can't see your IP right? And i doubt your ISP cares unless the MPAA forwards them a notice.
    
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Hmm, well even if the ISP can see you're on a VPN the MPAA can't see your IP right? And i doubt your ISP cares unless the MPAA forwards them a notice.

So that's not how it actually works.

The MPAA and RIAA embedded movie releases with tracking trojans - They've been doing this for years. Why? Because statistically you're going to share the file and thus, incriminate everyone around you.

The MPAA and RIAA are actually behind the most popular HQ releases that you download daily - All media.

So the MPAA/RIAA take that information and then approach the ISP.

The ISP then sleuths, verifies and sends you a LETTER. AFTER they investigate. - If your data flow is enough that you get investigated - That's on you.

Not an email, a LETTER or a PHONE CALL.

On the 4th/5th letter, they then EMAIL you.

It's also not from "Google Fiber", it comes from the source so, for Time Warner, it would not be from "Time Warner" it would be lawyer-speak and actually come from their legal department.

Unless, if they've started slumming in an effort to get more money and it's now automated...Which could be the case but, I doubt it.

I've done some more looking around, myself - and NOT ONCE - Was Google's legal department cited...That means the OP's source was a victim of phishing and nobody bothered checking the source location - Sheeple being sheeple...
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stop pirating music and movies guys, just go watch them on youtube.
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VPN service that doesn't keep logs (Private Internet Access, Torguard, IPVanish, etc) + non-ISP DNS service (Torguard, Private Internet Access, Proxy.sh, etc) + BTGuard or TorGuard for encrypted Tor use = Massively reduced chance of MPAA or RIAA letters.

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stop pirating music and movies guys, just go watch them on youtube.

It's not just about stealing movies and music. Given the massive government intrusion into our private lives, some of us just don't want to make it easy for "Big Brother" to sit there and spy on us.
Edited by 47 Knucklehead - 5/21/15 at 12:59pm
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Were looking at this all wrong guys. Google Fiber means we can all have speeds up to as fast as we're sitting on now, but everyone can run VPN's. smile.gif

I was actually going to type quite a bit of info regarding VPN use and how it's not actually protecting you like you think it is. Seems that PostalTwinkie and Masked have both covered basically everything I would mention, so as such, no need to reiterate it in detail.

I will, however, repeat the fact that you are not actually hiding anything with a VPN. All data still has to go THROUGH your ISP and as such, if they want to specific data info from you, they have the capabilities of learning whatever they need. Just a matter of how badly they want to do it.

TL;DR VPN doesn't make you invincible - nay, it can actually make you stand out with a target on your IP in the 'crowd' to be looked in to like, 'what's that person hiding? lets find out'
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VPN service that doesn't keep logs (Private Internet Access, Torguard, IPVanish, etc) + non-ISP DNS service (Torguard, Private Internet Access, Proxy.sh, etc) + BTGuard or TorGuard for encrypted Tor use = Massively reduced chance of MPAA or RIAA letters.
It's not just about stealing movies and music. Given the massive government intrusion into our private lives, some of us just don't want to make it easy for "Big Brother" to sit there and spy on us.

It's just that some people, like the guy mentioned in the article, have no regard for the law. This has nothing to do with government intrusion. All of us have already signed away our rights and are at the mercy of the ISPs.
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It's just that some people, like the guy mentioned in the article, have no regard for the law. This has nothing to do with government intrusion. All of us have already signed away our rights and are at the mercy of the ISPs.

The hell you/we did/are.

This is actually one of the few things I absolutely feel there is a right and wrong of. It is right to expect privacy, even in a digital world. It is wrong to accept that you shouldn't, or even begin to think you should sign them away.

I as an ISP should not be gifted some special power, by virtue of being an ISP and you my customer, to abuse basic human rights.
    
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