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All of us have already signed away our rights and are at the mercy of the ISPs.

Funny, I don't remember signing that piece of paper. Who has it on file? biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by PostalTwinkie View Post

How do they get your IP? I assume you are talking about situations of using a VPN.

The easiest way is that some of the most prolific seeders are actually MPAA/RIAA associated systems. They purposefully seed music/video/whatever onto popular networks that carry a small bit of code that lets E.T. phone home when he arrives. Although, as I said, the extreme majority of people don't actually use a VPN and just download-at-will.

Bonus round: The people that download these bugged materials? They typically like to "share" as well, and send them directly to friends/family - tracker and all!

EDIT:

Unless you are using specific VPNs, configured a specific way, on machines configured in a specific way (and technically on a connection configured in a specific way) you can be found! It is just a matter of effort v.s. reward.
if a content owner is seeding his own content at no cost, then sorry but they have no case tongue.gif its a nobrainer.
hey mr. judge we were giving out for free stuff, and we are suing them cause they took free stuff from us, because we didnt want them to get free stuff, but to pay us xD

the thing is most judges are either in their pocket or stupid. but if you explain it like that even the stupid ones get it
post #63 of 105
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if a content owner is seeding his own content at no cost, then sorry but they have no case tongue.gif its a nobrainer.
hey mr. judge we were giving out for free stuff, and we are suing them cause they took free stuff from us, because we didnt want them to get free stuff, but to pay us xD

the thing is most judges are either in their pocket or stupid. but if you explain it like that even the stupid ones get it

They give out free content because it's illegal for you to own it through the venue, period.

If I give you crack at an ACDC concert, guess what? It's STILL ILLEGAL. thumb.gif

"But, but, but, Mr. Policeman it was FREE CRACK" rolleyes.gif

Sometimes man, your replies are baffling.
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They give out free content because it's illegal for you to own it through the venue, period.

If I give you crack at an ACDC concert, guess what? It's STILL ILLEGAL. thumb.gif

"But, but, but, Mr. Policeman it was FREE CRACK" rolleyes.gif

Sometimes man, your replies are baffling.

I've never seen a comparison so off the mark..

A more appropriate analogy would be AC/DC giving out free albums and then trying to sue you for listening to them.
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Yeah, so to all the Net Neutrality Google sympathizers.... Yeah, suck eggs, idiots. Google is here to save your lives. tongue.gif
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I've never seen a comparison so off the mark..

A more appropriate analogy would be AC/DC giving out free albums and then trying to sue you for listening to them.

...Incorrect.

In this case, per this discussion, you are illegally downloading content that was at no time, actually free.

You are circumventing the authority in order to "send a message".

Therefor, your possession of that content, is still illegal because it was illegally obtained.

Per your example, it would actually be akin to you going to an ACDC concert, their merchandising person walked away so you TOOK the album and were later caught with it.

...Let's try and be logical here, it's really not difficult.

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Yeah, so to all the Net Neutrality Google sympathizers.... Yeah, suck eggs, idiots. Google is here to save your lives. tongue.gif

MPAA/RIAA violations are mailed first - Not emailed.

So, Google didn't send it to begin with...

Sheeple will be sheeple.
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if a content owner is seeding his own content at no cost, then sorry but they have no case tongue.gif its a nobrainer.
hey mr. judge we were giving out for free stuff, and we are suing them cause they took free stuff from us, because we didnt want them to get free stuff, but to pay us xD

the thing is most judges are either in their pocket or stupid. but if you explain it like that even the stupid ones get it

It is the digital version of a police car theft sting.

  • Leave vehicle, unlocked, with keys in it on side of street.
  • Wait until someone gets in.
  • Activate locks.
  • Arrest.


They aren't "giving" the content out to any specific person, or group. They are simply leaving it "on the side of the street" and seeing what happens. It rides that line between illegal and legal. From what I was made to understand the major reason it is allowed is because of the law/idea that no matter what/who/how, illegal is illegal. Basically there is no legal way to possess something illegal.
    
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...Let's try and be logical here, it's really not difficult.

Sounds like you could use a refresher in economics as well as copyright law. You don't seem to have a grasp of how licensed content works.

I'm sure you'll instead just give OCN the same crap attitude you've been spewing since you've come back though.
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The hell you/we did/are.

This is actually one of the few things I absolutely feel there is a right and wrong of. It is right to expect privacy, even in a digital world. It is wrong to accept that you shouldn't, or even begin to think you should sign them away.

I as an ISP should not be gifted some special power, by virtue of being an ISP and you my customer, to abuse basic human rights.

Thats noble postal, but naive. I wish it was as you say but the ISP's have all the power, political connections, and money to do whatever they like. They can and will track your data if they feel like it and frankly i have given up and accepted that fact if i want to be able to watch youtube.
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It is the digital version of a police car theft sting.

  • Leave vehicle, unlocked, with keys in it on side of street.
  • Wait until someone gets in.
  • Activate locks.
  • Arrest.


They aren't "giving" the content out to any specific person, or group. They are simply leaving it "on the side of the street" and seeing what happens. It rides that line between illegal and legal. From what I was made to understand the major reason it is allowed is because of the law/idea that no matter what/who/how, illegal is illegal. Basically there is no legal way to possess something illegal.
you and your imaginary property are so cute tongue.gif

my post is easier to explain to a stupid judge than yours. yours works only by bribery thus all copyright is illegal as its a result of bribing public officials

also the entire ip adress colection is bogus beyond belief. basically they are too lazy to do it correctly so techniques they employ for ip adresses collection are not usable as has been proven multiple times in court and as other people here have confirmed, who apparently are getting strikes for content they never downloaded

in eu there was this single market initiative for entire eu countries. suddenly content industry cried out since they would lose 30-40% of money that exists because of multiple markets in europe, so whores of babylon / eu parliament have taken video and audio out of the regulation. i assume that once french activision and ubisoft start crying as well, this regulation would not cover 99% of what goes under digital market content.

funny thing up until this year we payed a tax on electronics to "make whole" content producers and their association. well electronics sellers sued and won, so this is no longer possible and content sharing is now illegal. if only the countries themselves were not corrupt as F, and passed laws that basically make people pay these fees to associations, not because of content that is stolen, but because of their own content.

yes, apparently in past we payed fees to content associations for content that was stolen in general, now we are paying for content we ourself produce. basically they made everyone a content creator, even if he wants to burn photos of his cat on a cd, thus he has to pay cents on the cds price to our local version of riaa and mpaa. you cant make this stuff up
Edited by revro - 5/21/15 at 10:38pm
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