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My mom lied to me about graphics all the time. Still love her. It didn't make those meals any less delicious.
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My mom lied to me about graphics all the time. Still love her. It didn't make those meals any less delicious.

Do we have another apologist among us?
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Do we have another apologist among us?

Apologist?
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Originally Posted by Moynesy View Post

It should be illegal for game developers to advertise a game and open pre-orders later for it while clearly misleading the consumer. You wouldn't find car manufactures advertising a brand new car a few years before release which takes your breath away, then open pre-orders a year or two later a few months before release only for you to find out it was half the car they showed you.

If you don't know your hardware limitations, then you should NOT create a demo with all the bells and whistles which you will later strip out because you realized it wasn't possible.

I hope they learn from this.

This actually happens all the time just to varying degrees.
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nice selective memory you got there remember this quote from them?

"The final version of the game will look better than what can be seen in the latest screenshots – no matter the platform." and this "There will be no downgrade"

yeah they were very open about it rolleyes.gif

like i said a dozen times before it's not about the graphics it's the fact they lied time and time again and waited till 3 days after release to come clean after the sales were done.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gry-online.pl%2FS018.asp%3FID%3D1132&edit-text=&act=url from January

Thats all I'm adding because its enough to show that you have no idea what you are talking about and you seem to be happy being cynical and jaded so I'll leave you to it.
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How have they treated anyone as fools? This sort of over reaction is exactly what I'm talking about. They have been totally open about how the final game will look and anyone left with delusions that it would look like the 2013 or 2014 trailers has simply not been paying attention. They have never tried to hide anything even releasing it for review a week before its official release. Add to that they had already been quoted as saying that the PC, Xbox and PS4 versions would all be very similar if not the same way before release. Then you have this prett honest interview that lays out the exact reasons why this is the case. Trying to actually spell it out those of you who don't seem to understand that our platform does not generate enough revenue on its own to support a game of this size and depth. No matter how much you dislike this fact it is a fact. So after all this if you expected the game to be Crysis levels of groundbreaking graphically then that is simply your own fault because all the information on what exactly was coming was available.

They have also been quoted as saying that those trailers would be able to be reproduced in that exact graphical fidelity

They also stated when originally asked if the game had undergone any changes from initial showing that we hadn't seen ultra

They also stated that we were being duped by youtube compression when asked again

They also withheld pc copies for review until after release

they also banned just about anyone who mentioned it on their forums

They also said we'd have a sort of slap across the face when we saw ultra (actually weren't lying there lol)

They also constantly said they would never downgrade

I mean the list goes on. I am all for all of us moving on in this and personally enjoy the game and still think it looks great but if we're going to insist on the truth then the truth is they completely botched the pr for this game and were questioned every step of the way. They deflected. Banned. And insisted that nothing happened.

I mean whether people want to call it deception or not is for them. Myself I am glad they finally said something and will continue to enjoy their products but for my money I will not pre order from them ever again as I do not anyone else. They didn't come to my house and kick my dog or anything but I will not be quick to rush out and pre give them my cash
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Apologist?

a·pol·o·gist

/əˈpäləjəst/

noun

a person who offers an argument in defense of something controversial.

e.g. Silent Scone, MonarchX, fashric, etc

Correct me if I'm wrong. If I am I apologize.
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They also said we'd have a sort of slap across the face when we saw ultra (actually weren't lying there lol)

Made me chuckle. wink.gif
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They also constantly said they would never downgrade

I mean the list goes on. I am all for all of us moving on in this and personally enjoy the game and still think it looks great but if we're going to insist on the truth then the truth is they completely botched the pr for this game and were questioned every step of the way. They deflected. Banned. And insisted that nothing happened.

I mean whether people want to call it deception or not is for them. Myself I am glad they finally said something and will continue to enjoy their products but for my money I will not pre order from them ever again as I do not anyone else. They didn't come to my house and kick my dog or anything but I will not be quick to rush out and pre give them my cash

Pretty much this. To deny this is to be in denial and/or delusional.
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This actually happens all the time just to varying degrees.
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gry-online.pl%2FS018.asp%3FID%3D1132&edit-text=&act=url from January

Thats all I'm adding because its enough to show that you have no idea what you are talking about and you seem to be happy being cynical and jaded so I'll leave you to it.

lol you didn't read that did you? he said it was not downgraded but claims it was upgraded with better shaders and grass, which is obviously false.
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It seems worthwhile to rephrase what was said here just so we can make sure we all understand it. If you can, try to be reasonable.

During development, sometime after the ballyhooed 2013 trailer, CDPR faced a fork in the road and had two basic choices:

A. Reduce the scope of the game (size, length, open-world) and keep the visuals as-is so it can be developed for the different platforms individually.

B. Keep the scope of the game and adjust the visuals accordingly, focusing the entire team on the game and not splitting them up into different platform groups.


This is all based on the fact that the game was going to come to PC and consoles from the start. Consoles deserve no fault here. With them and their massive profit potential CDPR was able to make the game as they promised in terms of scope. That this came with the sacrifice, i.e. choice B, of toning down stuff like smoke is the choice I would've taken.

It could very easily be the other way and we could all be complaining that they didn't give us the open world or the that the game was too short or there weren't enough quests.

They chose design over graphics. It's that simple. I don't see a conspiracy.

I don't think it's unreasonable to believe them when they say that without consoles they wouldn't have had the budget to manage a game of this scope. Comparing this to Star Citizen is not fair; this wasn't a crowd-sourced game. Compare it to something similar in scope like Final Fantasy XV, which is something like 10 years in the making, a development team of way more people than Witcher 3, comes from a developer with massive experience (this is CDPR's third game), and is only going to two platforms so far.

CDPR made Witcher 3 for three platforms, had a smaller team size, has less experience as a company making games than SE has on one single title, and made a game that has over a hundred hours of gameplay in less than three years. And in my honest opinion it looks good, too.

I don't say that to defend CDPR because if you keep on drumming that they lied to you or committed fraud, I'm afraid your mind was made up long ago. I also don't think CDPR is entirely without fault--they should have addressed this earlier on or put a disclaimer on their earlier trailers and avoided most of this PR disaster.

But I do think they deserve credit for admitting in this interview that they made a mistake and will do something to make up for it.
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lol you didn't read that did you? he said it was not downgraded but claims it was upgraded with better shaders and grass, which is obviously false.

Did you actually read it?
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And as ultra PCs will have to consoles?
You will be able to find some small differences, for example. NVIDIA hair, but they are very demanding graphically, so you have to have a strong engine. It's a little impolitic, what I say, but in the future it will be possible to enable ubersamplingu mode, which at the premiere of The Witcher 2 killed this title and now also kill you, so I do not want that for the time being unlocked. The game looks better, but it is absurd demands.

And all the models and textures are the same?
Yes, there is only one version, without it we would not be able to create games on time. We'd have to undress her, build and test separately on three platforms, which is impossible. So we do it for one database, and then distribute it to all devices. On the platforms on which it is otherwise less memory managing it. Load less complex models, it all depends on what is happening on the screen at any given time. In summary, there is little difference between the PC, PlayStation 4 and Xbox One, rather than solve some errors reconfigure.
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