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Ok so I did the researches like you suggested and I think I found almost all the answers I was looking for.

1. I still don't know if the fact the M.2 died the day I installed the BIOS 3505 was a coincidence or not, but because I'm a bit paranoid, I'm gonna roll back to 3402 before installing the new drive.

2. I found the reason I wasn't getting adaptative overclocking in Windows any more, it was because I was using the High Performance Power Plan in Windows Power Options, this was setting CPU at 100% of its turbo frequency all the time, I switched back to Balanced, and it's now back to dynamic 12-31 multiplier.

I think I also found which settings to apply to get a mild safe overclocking of 4000 MHz, while still using XMP.

Starting with Core Ratio sync at 40, using Adaptative Mode, and finding the right Additional Turbo Mode CPU Core Voltage between roughly 1.16V and 1.20V.
When stable, apply XMP, and because this RAM will give me a CPU Strap of 125 MHz I'll then adjust Core Ratio sync to 32.
I still need to find out if by picking XMP, the BIOS changes automatically the DRAM Voltage CHAB and CHCB to 1.35V, or if I need to set this myself manually.

3. I found which settings to apply to get Intel Turbo Boost Max Technology 3.0 working, but I also learnt that it was made mainly to be used on CPU with stock frequencies, it seems it has caveats that negate their benefit when a system is overclocked, and that to bypass this it really requires complicated settings and the usage of Asus Thermal Control Tool.
So since I'm not gonna use the settings to get it working, I'm wondering if I should uninstall it (Windows update installs it by default), or deactivate its service from the start up.
    
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I'm glad you feel more comfortable with the system. Personally, I would not bother with the dynamic frequency if you're not going to do variable voltage based upon load in the BIOS.
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So I received my RAM back from RMA, labelled with a new version on their sticker, and this time it's back to normal, the SPD reading reports correct numbers, the checksum on all 4 sticks is the same. I hope this time it will stay that way.

So I started to try a mild overcloking, first without using XMP.
A simple 40 x 100, with Adaptative Mode with a 1.18V for Turbo.
Benchmarks gave no errors, CPU went from 32°C to 63°C.

Then I applied XMP (DDR4-3000 15-17-17-35-1.35V quad channel).
Because it changes BCLK and CPU Strap to 125 MHz, I used a 32 x 125 to get my 4GHz.
It couldn't POST, I removed the Adaptative Mode and went back to Auto, and then it posted, it seems the MB is putting 1.20V on VCore.
Benchmarks gave no errors, but CPU went from 38°C to 72°C.

Is it because of this thing I read in Asus Broadwell OC Guide that I can't use Adaptative Mode :

Note that the Adaptive voltage target works on the Turbo ratios only. So, if you change the CPU strap and use a non-Turbo CPU ratio, the value in the Adaptive voltage setting box will not be applied.

Am I now using a non-Turbo ratio since the XMP put the CPU Strap at 125 MHz?

I'm just wondering now what I should use.
Right now on Auto, it works, but the Auto VCore of 1.20V seem unnecessary high when Cores are dynamically underclocked at 1,5 GHz, it used to be below 1V in that case, and idle T° used to be lower.

So I'm wondering if it's fine, or if I should change something somewhere.

I'm also confused with what I read in OCCT, it tells me my VCore goes from 0,952V idle to 0,968V when fully loaded.
    
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So I received my RAM back from RMA, labelled with a new version on their sticker, and this time it's back to normal, the SPD reading reports correct numbers, the checksum on all 4 sticks is the same. I hope this time it will stay that way.

So I started to try a mild overcloking, first without using XMP.
A simple 40 x 100, with Adaptative Mode with a 1.18V for Turbo.
Benchmarks gave no errors, CPU went from 32°C to 63°C.

Then I applied XMP (DDR4-3000 15-17-17-35-1.35V quad channel).
Because it changes BCLK and CPU Strap to 125 MHz, I used a 32 x 125 to get my 4GHz.
It couldn't POST, I removed the Adaptative Mode and went back to Auto, and then it posted, it seems the MB is putting 1.20V on VCore.
Benchmarks gave no errors, but CPU went from 38°C to 72°C.

Is it because of this thing I read in Asus Broadwell OC Guide that I can't use Adaptative Mode :

Note that the Adaptive voltage target works on the Turbo ratios only. So, if you change the CPU strap and use a non-Turbo CPU ratio, the value in the Adaptive voltage setting box will not be applied.

Am I now using a non-Turbo ratio since the XMP put the CPU Strap at 125 MHz?

I'm just wondering now what I should use.
Right now on Auto, it works, but the Auto VCore of 1.20V seem unnecessary high when Cores are dynamically underclocked at 1,5 GHz, it used to be below 1V in that case, and idle T° used to be lower.

So I'm wondering if it's fine, or if I should change something somewhere.

I'm also confused with what I read in OCCT, it tells me my VCore goes from 0,952V idle to 0,968V when fully loaded.
You should not be using OCCT to stress test these, but rather something like RealBench.

Measure your voltages either with the TufDetective application on your phone or with CPU-Z. I would also never let a voltage as important as vcore go on auto. All the voltages mentioned in the Haswell overclocking guide are important to adjust manually, and any one of them could be triggering things to be unstable. I tend to get the dynamic vs. adaptive voltage confused, but I know one does not work with the uncore voltage. You may be better off doing a static voltage for stability unless you want to play with it more. I cannot comment on core voltage for Broadwell in terms of magnitude.

Some people like to use XMP, but I do not because it forces you to use a certain strap; I prefer to get my CPU to its highest then try the RAM.
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post #1875 of 1891
Thanks again for the answer stargate125645.

I did like you suggested and measured the voltage of this Auto setting on TUF Detective, I believe there it's called CPU Core, it was at 1,200 V during no load, and increased to 1,248 V during benchmark.

I understand your way on avoiding XMP, but since I'm only after a very little overclocking and not searching to go all the way, I figured I could use XMP.

Since it seems that because of CPU Strap I cannot use the Adaptive Mode the Asus Broadwell OC Guide was encouraging to use, I need to find out what is best to use instead, considering I'm fine with 4 GHz on this hexacore and don't want to go beyond, and that I kinda would like to keep the voltage lower when it's not required, like the guide suggested.
    
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post #1876 of 1891
Have you stress-tested the components separately? It is difficult to determine the controlling component if you are not, which is why simply setting XMP and leaving things on Auto is not my suggestion. It will often lead to head aches. For example, I had better luck with a strap of 100 and a bclock of 100 than any other frequency, and I got my RAM to do what the XMP wanted it to do without the higher strap that XMP required.
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Yes I did it in 3 steps, benchmark with stock settings for everything, no errors.

Then I overclocked only the CPU to 4GHz by using the Adaptative Turbo mode with 1,18V like the Asus Broadwell OC Guide was suggesting, no errors.

Then I used the XMP and noticed that, I think, because of the CPU Strap of 125 MHz, I can't no longer use the Adaptative Turbo mode, so I let it on auto, no errors during benchmark, but the Auto is using 1,200V during no load, and 1,248V during heavy load (where I was using 1,18V with no errors).

And it's good to know I can use the timings and speed the RAM was sold for, without using XMP.
    
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Yes I did it in 3 steps, benchmark with stock settings for everything, no errors.

Then I overclocked only the CPU to 4GHz by using the Adaptative Turbo mode with 1,18V like the Asus Broadwell OC Guide was suggesting, no errors.

Then I used the XMP and noticed that, I think, because of the CPU Strap of 125 MHz, I can't no longer use the Adaptative Turbo mode, so I let it on auto, no errors during benchmark, but the Auto is using 1,200V during no load, and 1,248V during heavy load (where I was using 1,18V with no errors).

And it's good to know I can use the timings and speed the RAM was sold for, without using XMP.
I would try it with the slower strap and fudging the RAM manually if you want to lower voltages. Again, I would not leave voltages for anything important on Auto.
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My 6800k is set at 4.0ghz at 1.230v on adaptative, and 1.264v at heavy avx load. I recommend you to use OCCT to test stability, at least 4 hours (thats the sweet spot i found on my testings). 4 hours at OCCT CPU test will ensure you have the system fully stable.
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Do not use OCCT. As stargate suggested, latest version of RealBench is more than enough to test out OC stability
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