As you see Benjiw, I joined this community only 4 days ago, maybe I do understand where your reluctance to join in comes from.
Otherwise, If you expect, in a thread dedicated
to a motherboard that focuses on overclock and stability
, to get a snotty
Originally Posted by mus1mus
No way I'm killin 7 chips.
... when you mention Prime95, OCCT or IBT, than you must have different expectations than I do.I will tell you that I found that reply rather disturbing and downright bizarre.
(though yes, I am aware of the latest Prime95 version's "reputation" and the debates it has sparked, but that is another subject altogether).
We're talking about Prime95
for Cleopatra's sake, it's been used by the overclocking community since the dawn of the pyramids!
(I hope you get the premeditated humoristic ignorance in that and not interpret it as condescending attitude).
Anyway, it may have irritated me a bit too much, that's why I chose to calibrate my answer to that
that kind of attitude by replying in a more elaborated manner (despite being slightly sarcastic).
Also, I trust that most users will take the best out of my well intended reply and ignore the childish shallow toxicity between me and mus1mus.
In the end I would like to add that my previous...previous post (the long one) does not advocate for the so called right way of testing for overclock stability
, contrary to the so called wrong way (adopted by many users, namely ASUS Realbench ONLY
- for a number of runs/hours ).
I am merely suggesting one of the many
hard ways, certainly not
the hardest, because in my experience and many others' it's more future proof.
What is "future proof" when it comes to overclocking stability ?
Very many of the people I know and are into overclocking, whenever they run into a problem after (let's say 6 months) they temporarily revert back to stock settings in order "to be sure"
and from then on a weird investigation begins, with coming back and forth from OC profile to stock in order to sniff the culprit (very unorthodox and time consuming).
Also, many of them end up giving up their overclocked settings altogether after 1 or 2 years - when usually more problems arise - and permanently revert back to stock values because "it's safer anyway but overclocking was fun, will do it again for the next computer, maybe I can get to 5Ghz with the next generation of CPUs."
That's exactly what "future proof" (aka STABLE) intends NOT to be.
Not getting BSODs for years and more likely
ever, no matter what
you throw at that particular machine.
(and yes, there is a VERY
extensive array of things a PC computer can do, unlike an Apple).
- please, joke detected, no aggressive
Why should one care? "I get an error, I go my friend google, find out what's causing it and fix it, EAZY!"
Some if not most users who are into overclocking (but not necessarily), don't really appreciate a sign of instability and the associate delay in their work it needs to get fixed.
Who doesn't appreciate a computer that is running flawlessly for years without a BSOD?
(besides Apple users but they're running stock so who gives a pyramid?
Unless one is building computers (or the other various derivatives) for a living, most users will not
be permanently connected to the changes they did to the stock values,
hence the effort and discomfort they will experience after...let's say 2-3 years - when the first BSODs (plural) appear - is or will be major & severe.
Also, by that times some of the parts' warranties begin to expire or the vendor had disappeared (not everybody has the chance of buying from new newegg or Amazon and benefit of the true warranty certificate) and new kind of questions & doubts
arise.e.g. My ASUS X99 Sabertooth's warranty is 3 years (I can find vendors in my country that are "offering" only 2 years) whereas Newegg lists the same motherboard as having 5 years warranty
Can one imagine the variance of the warranty period across multiple parts and various continents & countries?
Some situations are simply appalling.
But I digress again.Every time I start to post something I try my best to keep it short.
Obviously I've failed again as this post is again, gargantuan, so I will try to summarize what stable
/ "future proof" means to me.
My personal experience & my reaction to past and near to far future eventual BSODs (or any other type of error for that matter):
1.drivers (most likely, they change alot in the course of a computer's lifespan, unlike BIOS revisions)
2.operating system (rare) (anyways, thanks Bill!
3.independent of OC
(aka not degradation) hardware failure (it should
depend only on individual luck)
I don't get to blame the OC settings because if I end up doing that it means that I did a sloppy job.
Prime95 amongst other stress-testing software has helped me obtain this level of certainty about my OC profile.
(overclocking since 1999, I dread the days when Prime95 was not around)
Also, overclocking for many is the genuine desire and passion to bring their component's potential to its relative max and then....ENJOY
it for the longest possible.
Well, if I expect the longest, than I should invest the longest, within reason.
(or get very lucky either with batches or settings, but that's rare as one can imagine, the higher one goes away from stock values).
That obviously takes time (weeks) and it's many times very frustrating but it certainly compensates
with the reward of having a computer you can trust
when you need it the most.
This kind of a thorough approach also allows one to have a deeper and more significant understanding
of what they're doing and the effects of those particular modifications done to stock values.
The immediate consequence of that is a greater comprehension of the overall platform, its capacity and yes...its (safe/stable
) limits.P.S. regarding Prime95 usage
There are different "schools of thought" on this matter and the debates around this subject in the past 2 years have been anything but calm.
Despite the heat (ironic) that the debates around this topic dissipates, there is no general consensus of what Prime95 version should be used for stress-testing, be it for 10 minutes or 24h+
(some say v26.x, others v27.x, few say v28.5+)
When I bring up Prime95 (relative to Haswell-E generation), I'm only talking about v27.9 which is considered by some as the latest "safe" version of it.
And because words should be sustained with proof, here is the result of yesterday's test for the "summer profile".
Yes, I know it's low but it's what I need for that machine and it's also a 1st try on voltages for this particular result (1st try after spending weeks on much higher profiles
Will try lower settings.CPU & MEM: 4Ghz (125x32) - XMP (2666-13-14-14-39) - UNCORE/CACHE 4Ghz (125x32)BIOS VOLTAGES:
Core Voltage (adaptive): +0.125
VRM Spread Spectrum=Enabled ---> CPU Power Phase=Optimized
CPU Integrated VR Fault Management=Disabled
CPU SVID Support=Disabled
VRM Spread Spectrum=Disabled
C States and EIST Enabled (I like the CPU to rest when not under load, hence the adaptive on voltages too)
Room temp varying from 25.5 to 26.8 Celsius (no windows opened, no doors leading to outside opened, no AC running, yes, it matters)
IDLE in the same conditions as above:
- highest for 3 cores is 31 Celsius (#0,#1,#5)
- 2 cores at 30 Celsius (#2,#3)
- lowest for 1 core at 29 Celsius (#4)
Why the Prime95 (Blend, Small & Large FFT)?
Because if it runs Prime95 (Blend in my experience) for 24h+ it will run anything else for any
amount of time.Edited by Lykorian - 2/2/16 at 7:23pm