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While it is possible my understanding is incorrect here, I want to reiterate that I am not confusing the presence of a voltage with the presence of a load (current). I understand that voltage does not mean load is present. But what you suggest means I could apply 300V to the CPU and as long as I don't put but a minimal current through it, no damage will be done, and that makes no sense to me. Insulating materials are rated for a specific voltage before the material no longer functions as intended (see a capacitor, for example). Are suggesting that CPUs operate differently, or simply that during low current the damage done by the higher voltage is negligible? Those are two different things. The latter I can understand, but the former is highly counter-intuitive.

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As for the dynamic voltage, with implementing it was assuming the frequency would change with it to help out with going easy on the chip, which presumably means the multiplier is dynamic as well. I don't know what cstate and power options are needed to be changed in the BIOS to achieve this, so I don't even know where to start. Those specific options in the BIOS are the least descriptive. I know I set things in the BIOS to take off power saving for the purpose of finding the maximum overclock, but which of those settings is needed for the overclock and which is needed for dynamic voltage/frequency is not exactly clear to me. The same goes for settings in Windows.

That goes back to my dam and single pipe illustration. If you put a hydraulic level of pressure (300v) on a pipe that's rated at a normal gravity flowing water rating (5v) then you will bust that single pipe for sure. The presence of voltage would be to that single pipe having some water flowing through it and it would be one out of 2.6 billion pipes and the chances of a single pipe breaking as opposed to 2.6 billion would be extremely minimal in comparison.

Cstates are very important because it's part of lowering the CPU voltage and frequency and also controls circuits that you need to run the CPU at high performance levels. The problem with having cstates enabled is basically related to the dam and pipe illustration. What happens when you jam 2.6 billion times what that single pipe can handle before the circuitry can open the other pipes up for use? This is most likely one of the reasons why cstates are bad for OC, not sure on this one. You basically have to find the sweet spot for your particular chip on which combination of adaptive voltage/total OC/cache OC/memory OC and which cstates you can use safely and if your chip have been burned down enough to where the silicon is hardened to the limits of how much you can OC it. The windows setting is a grey area because it would depend if the CPU refuses to allow software to control it or if the CPU will allow the OS to override what you have set in the bios. Let me do some tests and I'll share my findings.

This is actually becoming too off topic for this forum and I'll get back to testing my rig when I get home from work unless I get tied up with something for possible settings on bringing the clock/voltage down while in idle mode since I never sat down and tried to figure it out since I got the SabertoothX99 and CPU.

Here is some cstates info just for that 411.

Mode Name What it does CPUs
C0 Operating State CPU fully turned on All CPUs
C1 Halt Stops CPU main internal clocks via software; bus interface unit and APIC are kept running at full speed. 486DX4 and above
C1E Enhanced Halt Stops CPU main internal clocks via software and reduces CPU voltage; bus interface unit and APIC are kept running at full speed. All socket LGA775 CPUs
C1E — Stops all CPU internal clocks. Turion 64, 65-nm Athlon X2 and Phenom CPUs
C2 Stop Grant Stops CPU main internal clocks via hardware; bus interface unit and APIC are kept running at full speed. 486DX4 and above
C2 Stop Clock Stops CPU internal and external clocks via hardware Only 486DX4, Pentium, Pentium MMX, K5, K6, K6-2, K6-III
C2E Extended Stop Grant Stops CPU main internal clocks via hardware and reduces CPU voltage; bus interface unit and APIC are kept running at full speed. Core 2 Duo and above (Intel only)
C3 Sleep Stops all CPU internal clocks Pentium II, Athlon and above, but not on Core 2 Duo E4000 and E6000
C3 Deep Sleep Stops all CPU internal and external clocks Pentium II and above, but not on Core 2 Duo E4000 and E6000; Turion 64
C3 AltVID Stops all CPU internal clocks and reduces CPU voltage AMD Turion 64
C4 Deeper Sleep Reduces CPU voltage Pentium M and above, but not on Core 2 Duo E4000 and E6000 series; AMD Turion 64
C4E/C5 Enhanced Deeper Sleep Reduces CPU voltage even more and turns off the memory cache Core Solo, Core Duo and 45-nm mobile Core 2 Duo only
C6 Deep Power Down Reduces the CPU internal voltage to any value, including 0 V 45-nm mobile Core 2 Duo only

Read more at http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-cpu-c-states-power-saving-modes/#X8SJ6hrjAIGifVRX.99
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So you believe cstates do more damage than good, and are only present to save power? Surely they offer some other tangible benefit, or there's no point in bothering to lower anything from the max OC levels.
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So you believe cstates do more damage than good, and are only present to save power? Surely they offer some other tangible benefit, or there's no point in bothering to lower anything from the max OC levels.

If you can stabilize your OC from the lowest voltage input/voltage core up to the max that you set it to then absolutely use cstates. This will prolong the life of your cpu transistors and use less power overall. Just have to expect the possibility sluggish ramp up. I seen a post where someone said if you set windows 8.1 to high performance mode when you need the power it negates any cstates sluggishness. I have not tried this on a Sabertooth X99 so I can't confirm.
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When overclocking and stress testing and just finding a stable oc do i set windows to 1. Balanced 2. High performance or 3 power saving mode?
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When overclocking and stress testing and just finding a stable oc do i set windows to 1. Balanced 2. High performance or 3 power saving mode?

Set it to the highest possible settings for sure and don't let anything sleep.
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I was going to do this exact same thing but I found a post describing it. Since farcry came out today and i'm installing it I decided to look around and here it is. Hope this helps you guys on your quest to drop your CPU voltage on idle. smile.gif I'll still do it to mine but for now I must try out farcry primal!

http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php/754365-Asus-X99-A-CPU-voltage-settings-need-an-experienced-user
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I was going to do this exact same thing but I found a post describing it. Since farcry came out today and i'm installing it I decided to look around and here it is. Hope this helps you guys on your quest to drop your CPU voltage on idle. smile.gif I'll still do it to mine but for now I must try out farcry primal!

http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php/754365-Asus-X99-A-CPU-voltage-settings-need-an-experienced-user
So I just need to enable csteps and Intel SpeedStep Technology (both from within the BIOS) and it will all function as I'm intending with everything else at manual voltages? I was told that dynamic voltages and offsets would be required from reading other posts on this site... It looks like that guy also set some other things, like LLC that I cannot for the life of me find in the BIOS. I am also not sure what VCCIO and VCCSA stand for or do anymore, as that guy implies they work for the cache and RAM, but there are separate voltages for those in the BIOS.
Edited by stargate125645 - 3/2/16 at 7:36am
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So I just need to enable csteps and Intel Speed Step Technology and it will all function as I'm intending? I was told that dynamic voltages and offsets would be required from reading other posts on this site... It looks like that guy also set some other things, like LLC that I cannot for the life of me find in the BIOS. I am also not sure what VCCIO and VCCSA stand for or do anymore, as that guy implies they work for the cache and RAM, but there are separate voltages for those in the BIOS.

C-States, yes.
Speed Step - NO. Especially if your workload involves heavy tasks. It overvolts.

Set C-states ON with either adaptive or Offset Voltages. Also set Windows minimum Processor power to around 5%.

http://www.overclock.net/attachments/39539
http://www.overclock.net/attachments/39538
http://www.overclock.net/attachments/39537
http://www.overclock.net/attachments/39535

These are on the high side but lower them according to your willingness.
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Then why does that guy have EIST enabled, and manual voltages set (implying no offsets/dynamic)?
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You have the right to believe that guy. thumb.gif
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