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I know a half dozen people that went to Nvidia because they couldn't get an AMD card during the craze. That being just in my little circle of friends.

This is pretty much me. I waited for a 290x for a LONG time (3 weeks, I know its not that long) but some reason they would be out of stock quick or super expensive. I was like what the lol But could that be the retailer? I remember OCUK has them on day one for ripoff prices and they said it was because of demand lol
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This is pretty much me. I waited for a 290x for a LONG time (3 weeks, I know its not that long) but some reason they would be out of stock quick or super expensive. I was like what the lol But could that be the retailer? I remember OCUK has them on day one for ripoff prices and they said it was because of demand lol

Honestly, I really don't see the inherent problem with what OCUK (and other stores) did with marking up Radeon prices during that era.

It's the job of the retailer to maximize profit from the products they sell to end users. It's the job of the manufacturer (AMD) and its partners (AIB makers) to accurately assess future demand and manage inventory levels accordingly.
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As someone who dabbles with models, yeah I am an Economist, PhD, I will be blunt : if i were to write something like this, my academic colleagues would slap me silly. Having said that, lets get into a high level analysis of that paper as this is not an economics forum.

First and foremost, the literature review is so poor that you cringe when you browse the pages. I read it a few times and it looks rushed. A review of random information put there to build a highly topical case. What irks me is the lack of valid referencing to previous parametrization on the topic itself. If you want credibility, you need to show that you at least know the current literature on forecasting and the statistical inference other studies have reported.

The methodology itself. DCF, discounted cash flow, is indeed used for revenue forecasting and given their work, I would go back to the drawing board and think again of what my paper is trying to say. I have done a quick review of the literature now while I am writing this post and my suspicions are confirmed : you are using proper statistical models for estimation and not a far fetched accounting method to 'estimate bankruptcy' of a company. The most common model is the Hazard one and you can be assured that any respected author will show you the maths behind his work and will test his model for breaks to give you the confidence that his work applies, however, there may be scenarios where variables may break the model.

The conclusion. For such a hardcore subject, this looks like it was written by a 5 year old. We do this we estimate that, AMD is dead, bang. Who in the right mind, even the most hardcore AMD haters would even bother with that small paragraph?



I will end my post with a wise quote from a friend of mine :' thank you for the work, I can go print it off and use it to wipe my a** when I go to the toilet' thumb.gif

So undergraduates participate in Economist first ever undergraduate Investment Case Study competition and came up that AMD will go bankrupt.
http://www.wbs.ac.uk/news/students-now-seeking-votes-in-the-economist-competition/
There is a possibility that they will get price money for they study.
They get public with it and hurt some companies reputation.
So much with ethics in economy.
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So undergraduates participate in Economist first ever undergraduate Investment Case Study competition and came up that AMD will go bankrupt.
http://www.wbs.ac.uk/news/students-now-seeking-votes-in-the-economist-competition/
There is a possibility that they will get price money for they study.
They get public with it and hurt some companies reputation.
So much with ethics in economy.

Economics and especially "the economy" are amoral (not immoral). All that matters is the end result. That said, if someone with actual clout comes out and claims AMD is going to go under then there are serious issues to be had.
     
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Agenda driven clickbait.

Financial analysts? The same people that caused a worldwide depression?

Posting this serves one purpose and thats not to enrich this site.
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Are these the same people who ascribed to the theory that the world would end because the Mayan Calendar wasn't finished? tongue.gif

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If AMD got a dollar every time someone said they'll go bankrupt soon they'd be in a lot better financial position now, lol.
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While this article provides no real evidence, I wouldn't be surprised if AMD went under. They constantly make poor decisions have have terrible customer support. Their hardware has potential, though.
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The article is pointing at the elephant in the room. Click bait or not, they are telling the truth.

AMD can not surive, if they burn the building down and everything in it, they will get to 2020. But as it currently stands they will not get out of this year.


The money coffers are completely empty, they barely turned profit this year, after selling off most of the assets and then renting them back.

They can not survive. Period.

They are looking for a buyer. My gut tells me it will be Samsung or maybe Apple. But Apple will have to play nice, which means it will not touch it.


AMD use to be a great company, now it is just shooting out the last valuable things it has so it does not lose them in the divorce.
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I don't think AMD is a bad company, but as of late, they aren't doing the PC industry any favors. Their entire CPU and GPU lineup is dated by around 3 years, while Nvidia and Intel both have competitive and current products out that beat AMD's products on both performance AND efficiency. The only place where AMD can compete is price, and that is probably hurting them a lot more than it is helping.

Hopefully their new products coming down the line will save them. If not, then hopefully Samsung buys them.
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