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Long story short, my Z87 Stinger has a defective DIMM Slot, exhaustive testing only using Onboard video, i5 4690k and Celeron G1840 for testing CPU aspect as well as Heatsink mounted to tight being ruled out (Hyper 212 EVO, Stock Celeron Cooler and Stock DC cooler used, still had Error 55 code on the board, and with RAM only working in one of 2 slots, ruled that out, its the one DIMM slot, tested using both sticks of Avexir DDR3 I bought for the system, and stick of Pareema Value stuff from another Mini ITX build I have).

Upon dismantling heatsink mounting hardware, and getting ready to package up, and RMA to EVGA, Trying to figure out how to reinstall the protective plastic cap for the socket... yep, bent half a dozen pins.



So, reading about how some of the big names can be sticklers about it, I figured EVGA might not accept it due to that. I can try and fix the pins, but I still have a board with only one working DIMM Slot, and effectively limiting me to 8GB RAM max (16 max for board with 2 working slots).

So rather than going round and round with an RMA, will try to fix the pins and if it works, will just use my Celeron in it for something.

But for the i5, I need to get a new-er board, and not looking to spend much If I can.

Looking at Newegg and Amazon, ran across these 2, and need help deciding which is better, if anyone knows of any specific problem/trouble spots or issues with them?

I'm mainly looking for something with decent OC capability, possibly SLI for adding a 2nd card later if I can't afford a single better card (970, 780, 780Ti, 980, etc), as I currently have a 760 that does just fine for 95% of my games.

Board needs to be Micro ATX or Mini ITX, if Mini ITX, socket needs to be further away from PCIe slot, since I have 2 coolers to use, Hyper 212 Evo or Hyper T4, the latter being a bit wider than the 212. 212 is the better one, with its mounting, the winged flanges that the T4 uses, the tab for the crossbar/hold down bar on the Stinger board won't work, because it sits at an angle against the rear VRM cooling.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132157&cm_re=z87_gryphon-_-13-132-157-_-Product

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CU4L4XG/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=3E3TF1933K73I&coliid=I3OU11I8MEMHH7

I've never been an Asus fan, ASrock yes, Asus no. at least when it comes to boards and GPU's.

Have almost always been MSI or EVGA, though on occasion Gigabyte. (for my main/game rigs anyways).

but with that said, I'm leaning more towards the Gigabyte, but I read in a review somewhere that it doesn't support the automatic voltage setting that others do support, and really know nothing about it, other than what it does.

I haven't OC'd a CPU since the old Socket 939 Athlon 64 3000+ Venice days, and the first gen X2's on 939.

So definitely out of the loop on OCing, but I'd like to be able to get my 4690k to 4GHz if I can with out much trouble, possibly 4.5 or as close as possible.

If there are any GOOD H97, B85, or H81/87 boards out that have good OC capability, decent cooling on mobo for components, I'd love to know that too, might help with looking for cheaper deals on those too.

This is the first time since my first self built system back in 1998, that I have had this much trouble with my own personal build, and its driving me nuts, have had one problem after another, between HSF fitment, finding a case that will fit the damn thing (height), then resorting to a Micro ATX case (Tt Core V21), to alleviate that, then find the Fans obstruct proper HSF mounting, and had to buy a 15mm thick 140mm Prolimatech fan to mount on cooler (2nd one to be bought this week as well), get the 1st, fit it, great the thing fits on board now, then RAM slot defective, then damaged pins, now trying to find another good board with out spending much, and cutting my options short.

Ultimately, I just need a good board with some OC support to get the i5 to 4GHz-ish and supports beyond 1600MHz RAM (stuff I have rated up to 2133), read a lot of 81/85/87/97 boards don't support much beyond 1333 or 1600.

Looking to spend not much beyond $80-ish, preferably less, but these are the 2 best I can find right now.

Checked Amazon, Newegg, Directron, buy/sell section here, couple other sites, can't find much else cheaper.
    
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Get z97 board instead
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Get z97 board instead

Yeah, thanks for not reading anything above.

Unless you can find me a Z97 board for my budget, and my needs, simply stating "get a z97" really doesn't help at all.




Anyone else want to try and post something helpful?
    
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I had the Gryphon (now sold on to a friend), and it's a very solid board, bios is flashable with no cpu or ram on board too!
I really don't have anything negative to say about it, I like the bios compared to the gigabyte layout too.

Overclocking on the board is easy, and it looks fantastic (providing you don't cover everything with components smile.gif )

Check it out in the twisting get build log in my sig but Iwould say go for it.
    
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Nice!!! Piqued my interest when you mentioned about flashing bios with no cpu or ram, had i known that i could of saved a bit buying a spare cpu to make sure the board is updated to latest bios like i did for the stinger. Though to be honest, i only got it, as it was on sale off evgas site for $80 new in box with full 3 year warranty, i was actually looking at some $120 range refurbs (Msi gaming series) on amazon before i bought it.

Had "money in hand" and needed to spend before some convenient situation came along and burned my cash.

Wait for some more input, but will check out the link later when on pc or my tablet.

Never been a big asus fan, myself and several friends have always had problems with their boards over the years, though when they did work, they worked well, for a while, though my last asus board was an nforce 2 board, so maybe time to give them another chance? Lol
    
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eh, being in the industry so long, I can definitely say I have had issues with pretty much every manufacturer's products, not just defects but design and software issues.
which reminds me, installing the ASUS Monitoring software etc, can be a pain as it doesn't like to be uninstalled or updated. But the board is solid.
    
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I only read about 2 pages into that build log, but what kind of board temps were you getting when Overclocking?

I know CPU temps vary from chip to chip, heatsink, etc, but was wondering about board and chipset temps?

Kind of tired of my Socket 1366 chipset temps being so high all the time, on my MSI X58 Platinum, and Both EVGA X58 SLI LE and SLI 3 boards (crappy little stylish chunk of aluminum with almost no mass to it, at least the MSI is all copper and integrates fins and heatpipes).

Any thoughts on whether a Coolermaster Hyper T4 should fit on there? I noticed your Thermalright was too wide, not sure on the width of the T4, but I also have 140mm fans mounted on them (T4 and 212).

Originally had it looking like this: https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=46748D26E57E1B0!137998&authkey=!AF0BUUVG5P0E7UM&ithint=folder%2c

With a pair of Akasa Viper R 140's in Push Pull on the 212, the T4 being a smidge wider.

But here you can see the Stinger would have had troubles with that, hence the need to mount one or two Prolima 140x15's on it instead.

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=46748D26E57E1B0!137999&authkey=!AMDwvPmtYWT0M9o&ithint=folder%2c

Bare 212 on Stinger, 25mm thick fans intrude on 1st RAM Slot and the rear VRM heatsink, going to just one fan front or rear, still offsets heatsink from being centered on CPU socket, which causes the mounting brackets not to line up with screws. T4 uses a pair of winged flanges that bolt down, and then a cross bar that spans between and clips to both sides, as a result the rear one can't sit flat or be screwed in because of the rear heatsink, and turning the heatsink 90 degrees doesn't help, due to the T4 being wider than the 212, and its pipes span outwards at a lower wider angle (at least the outer pipes), it intrudes on RAM Slots and VRM even more than the whole fan issue or flange/bracket does, with RAM installed, the base of the heatsink, centered, after turned 90 degrees, sits a few mm's above the CPU socket, WITH the plastic protective cap installed.

I already ran into a close call in clearance issues in one of my other i7 rigs, using a Hyper 212+: http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a117/ShazMX6/DJs%20i7%20Game%20Rig/WP_20140422_006_zps25a82a06.jpg

Just barely enough room for the Case fans, and cooler to play nice.

But mainly concerned on chip/board temps, and the HSF clearance issue. Eventually at some point, an AIO Liquid will be installed in the case, the HSF's are just holding me over till then, really don't want to take the H60 and hardware out of the i7 940 system right now, too much of a hassle.

In case I have to use the T4, its measured about 152.5mm (maybe it was .3?) wide, so it might just be pushing it width wise for the Gryphon board.
    
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I am really sorry, but I didn't really pay any attention to board temps, I can ask my buddy what he is getting now, but for the time being he is running at stock until he needs the 4.2GHz that the chip was properly stable at.
    
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No problem, no hurry right now, have to wait and see if I can find a board cheaper, or figure something out, just got paid yesterday, and trying to figure out how to make my paycheck last next 2 weeks, with out going broke in a week again, like I almost did last time.


Might have to resort to getting just A, as in ANY, 1150 board supporting the 4690k, run it stock for now, until I can nab a better deal on a better board, as it is, the stock speed is faster and core for core better than the old 940 I have anyways, so would probably be months down the road before I OC it in either case, but would be just be nice if everything I need/want is right there.

I just cringe at any board with little to no heatsinks that are supposedly able to OC with a lot of the cheap budget boards.
    
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Well, after hours of mulling it around, deciding cheapo $40 H81/H87/B85 etc boards, I eventually bit the bullet and grabbed the Z87 Gryphon on newegg, refurbished, paid an extra $7 for 1 Year replacement plan, and 3 day shipping, brought me to $91 or so.

I really didn't want to drop that much more money, but everything I read about the lower chipsets, supposedly supporting 1600Mhz RAM but a lot of them only seem to go to 1400Mhz, and I wasn't willing to compromise on a few features like that. Lower voltage increase limits, and so on as well.

Some nice H81 and B85 boards with limited OC options, but reduced memory clock support, lack of chipset/board cooling (though I know some of the VRM's are on the CPU now, so less on boards, but...).

Figured I could go a couple months with a budget board, but knowing how things play out for me, finances wise, it never happens, and I'd be stuck with the budget board till next year.

have a few parts I could probably sell online over the next few months to pay for the boards costs, but that will take some time.

I was looking at an MSI Z87 board on Amazon as well, factory refurbished, same price, similar features, only had one big heatsink on the VRM's, but also only supports Crossfire, but when I saw that the "expedited" shipping option pushed shipping estimated dates back by 2 days tops, and they were originally saying sometime between May 25 and June 3rd I think for a delivery date... figured, screw it, I'll just get the Gryphon on newegg for same price, more features, cheaper shipping and sooner delivery date.

But at least this way, I get Crossfire (who knows, depending on how the new crop of AMD cards are, they might have something less power hungry, but much better than the 760 I have, and yet priced similar to the 960 currently?), SLI, 4 DIMM support, 32GB max, OC functions, full speed memory support (at least for the 2133 I have), good board cooling, connectivity options (though no M.2 or Mini PCIe/mSATA, no big deal really), and won't have to worry about that later in the next year.

I'll just have to wait a bit on liquid cooling and a new PSU down the road here.
    
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Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Crucial MX200 250GB SSD Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB Seagate Constellation ES.3 ST1000NM0033 1TB LG USB 2.0 DVD Burner 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
Corsair H80i GT, 2x Corsair SP120L Windows 8.1 64-bit Professional Acer S271HL, 27" 1080p 60Hz Tosiba 40" 40L1400U HDTV 1080p 60Hz 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Microsoft Sidewinder X4 EVGA 750 G2, 220-G2-0750-XR Thermaltake Core V21 Corsair Vengeance M65 
Mouse PadAudioAudioOther
Steel Series 4HD Corsair Vengeance 2100 7.1 Wireless headset Senheisser HD 429 S Logitech Gamepad F310 
OtherOtherOther
Sony Dual Shock 3 Madcatz Xbox 360 Controller Saitek X45 Stick and Throttle 
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