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Hello.

First, I apologize if this is wrong place to ask this.

Second, I would like to build a blog type website, that would feature - a donate button, opportunity to register[optional] there and for registered members to post comments, online shop elements as add to cart and checkout [ with paypal ].
I have made few simple websites with notepad++, tried weebly once [ really enjoyed how simple it is] , and am curious about squarespace, but prices are too much for me.

Off to questions:

#1 What ''platform'', ''tool'' or whatever would be more suited for such project? I am currently looking at wordpress.

#2 On what ''software'' are most websites built on?

#3 Would wordpress suite my needs?

There are so many options, like web based templates with drag and drop options, to something more sophisticated and even just text based options. I want to learn something that will stay popular, have advanced options and that will help do the job in fair amount of time.

I have tinkered with dreamviewer and I like how it works, but in this case I'd want something more simple and with templates that I could adjust to my needs. Does wordpress support website exporting options? And how much can be exported? For example, I read that squarespace allows only few item exportation, thus you are attached to their services only.
If complete export option is available, can I improve that wordpress website with dreamviewer?

All suggestions, information sources and such appreciated smile.gif


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Wordpress , joomla, Drupal... Google CMS (Content Management System) Read about them, what they do, and how they do it. They are a platform for you to build a site and add content in a WYSIWYG sort of way. You can dive into the CSS\HTML\JS\PHP to make some custom changes.
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Wordpress , joomla, Drupal... Google CMS (Content Management System) Read about them, what they do, and how they do it. They are a platform for you to build a site and add content in a WYSIWYG sort of way. You can dive into the CSS\HTML\JS\PHP to make some custom changes.

Not sure if I am understood correctly. I understand programming languages like HTML/CSS/PHP etc. will evolve, but their idea stays the same [for now]. Maybe one day there will be one ''ultimate'' programming language, but till then.. Anyway, I'd like to know where I should invest my current time in. Why should I choose Joomla over Wordpress let's say? Which offers more than others etc.
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I did a bunch of reading about Joomla and Wordpress 2 years ago... and pretty much where it stood was that Joomla was better for commercial stuff because they had less security issues and more modules that were commercial focused.... But that was 2 years ago... Back then, Wordpress was starting to gain traction on the Commercial stuff, so who knows where they are at now. Back then there was A lot more documentation about Wordpress than there was Joomla, now ... who knows.....

If i were to suggest one... Id recomend Wordpress. Its the most common one, there should be tons of documentation, and really good for blog type sites.


As for HTML/JS/CSS/PHP.... it depends on what your trying to do. Simply put, HTML is static. Its basically the structure of the webpage, and CSS is there to change the colors of stuff and make it look pretty. When you add things like a Ticking Clock, or things that alters the page, thats Javascript. Javascript is the code behind the scenes turning the gears. Then you have PHP..... PHP is the code that runs on the server. When you see PHP code, its typically a mix between HTML and PHP. When you go to this page, the PHP code runs doing whatever it needs to, then builds the page, and sends you the HTML\CSS\JS.


Here is some example code from some test stuff i was doing with a Wowza server (wowza is a streaming system). Just to reiterate... this is just an example page, i do several things that are redundant and not needed. Moving forward Basically I needed to create a security token to be able to watch the stream. In order to create the token, I needed to pass it a password along with some arguments, and it gives me back the code. I dont want to put the password in the Javascript because everyone would see it, so i leave it in the PHP. Granted in my example, i write the values out so i can validate everything, but thats only for testing. You type in the URL for the page, the browser is making a request to the server asking for that page. The server then starts building an HTML page by copying everything line by line until it gets to the PHP section which starts with <.?php. At that point, it stops copying the lines and starts running the PHP instructions. The "echo" command that i am doing adds that string to the HTML page. Inside the PHP section, i am creating some Javascirpt code to define the variable flashVARS. At the end of the PHP denoted by the ?.> , it then goes back to copying to the HTML line by line. Once it gets to the end of the page, it then sends that HTML page over to you. So, now your browser receives the HTML. The page the goes top down adding the components. When it hits a <.script section in then starts executing javascript code. In my example, it places the flash streaming video player in the DVR3 div. Once that video player gets created, it then requests the video from the streaming server, the server sends it, and video playes.
Code:

<!DOCTYPE html>
<html>
        <head>
                <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
                <meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=10">
                <meta name="viewport" content="initial-scale=1, maximum-scale=1,user-scalable=no">
                <script src="//code.jquery.com/jquery-2.1.0.js"></script>
                <script type="text/javascript" src="swfobject.js"></script>
        </head>
        <body>
                <style type="text/css">
                        
                        body {
                                margin: 0px;
                                background-color: gray;
                                overflow: hidden;
                        }
                
                        #multi-stream_TablePlaceholder {
                                height: 100%;
                                width: 100%;
                                margin: auto;
                                background-color: gray;
                                border-spacing: 0px;
                        }
                </style>
                <?php 
                        $wowzaContentURL = 'http://192.168.1.132:1935/live/test.stream/playlist.m3u8'; 
                        $wowzaContentPath = 'live/test.stream'; 
                        $wowzaSecureToken = 'mySuperSecretPasswordOnlyIKnow'; 
                        $wowzaTokenPrefix = 'wowzatoken'; 
                        $wowzaCustomParameter = $wowzaTokenPrefix . "CustomParameter=myParameter"; 
                        $wowzaSecureTokenStartTime = $wowzaTokenPrefix  ."starttime=". time() ; 
                        $wowzaSecureTokenEndTime = $wowzaTokenPrefix  ."endtime=". (time() + (7 * 24 * 60 * 60) ); 
                        $viewer_ip = '192.168.1.100'; 

                        $hashstr = $wowzaContentPath ."?". $wowzaSecureToken ."&". $wowzaCustomParameter ."&". $wowzaSecureTokenEndTime ."&". $wowzaSecureTokenStartTime; 
                        $hash = hash('sha256', $hashstr ,1); 
                        $usableHash=strtr(base64_encode($hash), '+/', '-_'); 
                        $url = $wowzaContentURL ."?". $wowzaSecureTokenStartTime ."&". $wowzaSecureTokenEndTime ."&". $wowzaCustomParameter ."&".  $wowzaTokenPrefix ."hash=$usableHash"; 
                        $flashVars = $wowzaContentURL ."?". $wowzaSecureTokenStartTime ."%26". $wowzaSecureTokenEndTime ."%26". $wowzaCustomParameter ."%26".  $wowzaTokenPrefix ."hash=$usableHash"; 
                        echo "<pre>"; 
                        echo "\nwowzaContentURL = $wowzaContentURL"; 
                        echo "\nwowzaContentPath = $wowzaContentPath"; 
                        echo "\nwowzaSecureToken = $wowzaSecureToken"; 
                        echo "\nwowzaTokenPrefix = $wowzaTokenPrefix"; 
                        echo "\nwowzaCustomParameter = $wowzaCustomParameter"; 
                        echo "\nwowzaSecureTokenStartTime = $wowzaSecureTokenStartTime"; 
                        echo "\nwowzaSecureTokenEndTime = $wowzaSecureTokenEndTime"; 
                        echo "<hr>"; 
                        echo "\nHash string = $hashstr"; 
                        echo "\nHash value = $usableHash"; 
                        echo "\nURL = $url"; 
                        echo "\nflashVars = $flashVars"; 
                        echo "</pre>"; 
                        
                        echo "<script type='text/javascript'>";
                        echo "     var flashVARS = '$flashVars'";
                        echo "</script>";
                ?>
                
                <div id="multi-stream_ContentPlaceholder" style="width: 100%; height: 100%">
                        <div id="DVR3"></div>
                </div>
                
                <script type="text/javascript">         
                        var parameters = {
                                        //src: "http://192.168.1.132:1935/live/test.stream/playlist.m3u8?dvr%26wowzatokenstarttime=1431011232%26wowzatokenendtime=1431616032%26wowzatokenCustomParameter=myParameter%26wowzatokenhash=mYi16NKewsnMr42ed8lkPukzXTTqOHzBolXKHLCvZBY=",
                                        src:flashVARS,
                                        autoPlay: "false",
                                        streamType : "dvr",
                                        controlBarAutoHide: "false",
                                        controlBarPosition: "bottom"
                                };
                                
                                
                        swfobject.embedSWF("StrobeMediaPlayback.swf","DVR3", 640, 480, "10.3.0", "expressInstall.swf", parameters, 
                                                                {allowFullScreen: "true",wmode: "opaque"},
                                                                {name: "DVR3"}
                                                          );
                </script>
        </body>
</html>



SO.... As for what code you want to learn... it depends on what your trying to do. If you need to have the Server do stuff, like query a database for something, you must use a server side scripting language like PHP, Java, ASPX, or a couple other ones out there. If want to make the page Look amazing, that's HTML and CSS. If you want to to FEEL amazing, that's javascript.

If your wanting to learn web development, start learning HTML and CSS. Once you feel comfortable in that, start adding in Javascript. If you just want to build something right away for a friend or something... Wordpress (or any CMS) already has everything pre-built. You can then try to figure out what its doing, and change the code to make any subtle changes you want. (i.e. I see lots of wordpress pages that do not handle wide options in menus properly, where they need to adjust the CSS)
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I did a bunch of reading about Joomla and Wordpress 2 years ago... and pretty much where it stood was that Joomla was better for commercial stuff because they had less security issues and more modules that were commercial focused.... But that was 2 years ago... Back then, Wordpress was starting to gain traction on the Commercial stuff, so who knows where they are at now. Back then there was A lot more documentation about Wordpress than there was Joomla, now ... who knows.....

If i were to suggest one... Id recomend Wordpress. Its the most common one, there should be tons of documentation, and really good for blog type sites.


As for HTML/JS/CSS/PHP.... it depends on what your trying to do. Simply put, HTML is static. Its basically the structure of the webpage, and CSS is there to change the colors of stuff and make it look pretty. When you add things like a Ticking Clock, or things that alters the page, thats Javascript. Javascript is the code behind the scenes turning the gears. Then you have PHP..... PHP is the code that runs on the server. When you see PHP code, its typically a mix between HTML and PHP. When you go to this page, the PHP code runs doing whatever it needs to, then builds the page, and sends you the HTML\CSS\JS.


Here is some example code from some test stuff i was doing with a Wowza server (wowza is a streaming system). Just to reiterate... this is just an example page, i do several things that are redundant and not needed. Moving forward Basically I needed to create a security token to be able to watch the stream. In order to create the token, I needed to pass it a password along with some arguments, and it gives me back the code. I dont want to put the password in the Javascript because everyone would see it, so i leave it in the PHP. Granted in my example, i write the values out so i can validate everything, but thats only for testing. You type in the URL for the page, the browser is making a request to the server asking for that page. The server then starts building an HTML page by copying everything line by line until it gets to the PHP section which starts with <.?php. At that point, it stops copying the lines and starts running the PHP instructions. The "echo" command that i am doing adds that string to the HTML page. Inside the PHP section, i am creating some Javascirpt code to define the variable flashVARS. At the end of the PHP denoted by the ?.> , it then goes back to copying to the HTML line by line. Once it gets to the end of the page, it then sends that HTML page over to you. So, now your browser receives the HTML. The page the goes top down adding the components. When it hits a <.script section in then starts executing javascript code. In my example, it places the flash streaming video player in the DVR3 div. Once that video player gets created, it then requests the video from the streaming server, the server sends it, and video playes.
Code:

<!DOCTYPE html>
<html>
        <head>
                <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
                <meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=10">
                <meta name="viewport" content="initial-scale=1, maximum-scale=1,user-scalable=no">
                <script src="//code.jquery.com/jquery-2.1.0.js"></script>
                <script type="text/javascript" src="swfobject.js"></script>
        </head>
        <body>
                <style type="text/css">
                        
                        body {
                                margin: 0px;
                                background-color: gray;
                                overflow: hidden;
                        }
                
                        #multi-stream_TablePlaceholder {
                                height: 100%;
                                width: 100%;
                                margin: auto;
                                background-color: gray;
                                border-spacing: 0px;
                        }
                </style>
                <?php 
                        $wowzaContentURL = 'http://192.168.1.132:1935/live/test.stream/playlist.m3u8'; 
                        $wowzaContentPath = 'live/test.stream'; 
                        $wowzaSecureToken = 'mySuperSecretPasswordOnlyIKnow'; 
                        $wowzaTokenPrefix = 'wowzatoken'; 
                        $wowzaCustomParameter = $wowzaTokenPrefix . "CustomParameter=myParameter"; 
                        $wowzaSecureTokenStartTime = $wowzaTokenPrefix  ."starttime=". time() ; 
                        $wowzaSecureTokenEndTime = $wowzaTokenPrefix  ."endtime=". (time() + (7 * 24 * 60 * 60) ); 
                        $viewer_ip = '192.168.1.100'; 

                        $hashstr = $wowzaContentPath ."?". $wowzaSecureToken ."&". $wowzaCustomParameter ."&". $wowzaSecureTokenEndTime ."&". $wowzaSecureTokenStartTime; 
                        $hash = hash('sha256', $hashstr ,1); 
                        $usableHash=strtr(base64_encode($hash), '+/', '-_'); 
                        $url = $wowzaContentURL ."?". $wowzaSecureTokenStartTime ."&". $wowzaSecureTokenEndTime ."&". $wowzaCustomParameter ."&".  $wowzaTokenPrefix ."hash=$usableHash"; 
                        $flashVars = $wowzaContentURL ."?". $wowzaSecureTokenStartTime ."%26". $wowzaSecureTokenEndTime ."%26". $wowzaCustomParameter ."%26".  $wowzaTokenPrefix ."hash=$usableHash"; 
                        echo "<pre>"; 
                        echo "\nwowzaContentURL = $wowzaContentURL"; 
                        echo "\nwowzaContentPath = $wowzaContentPath"; 
                        echo "\nwowzaSecureToken = $wowzaSecureToken"; 
                        echo "\nwowzaTokenPrefix = $wowzaTokenPrefix"; 
                        echo "\nwowzaCustomParameter = $wowzaCustomParameter"; 
                        echo "\nwowzaSecureTokenStartTime = $wowzaSecureTokenStartTime"; 
                        echo "\nwowzaSecureTokenEndTime = $wowzaSecureTokenEndTime"; 
                        echo "<hr>"; 
                        echo "\nHash string = $hashstr"; 
                        echo "\nHash value = $usableHash"; 
                        echo "\nURL = $url"; 
                        echo "\nflashVars = $flashVars"; 
                        echo "</pre>"; 
                        
                        echo "<script type='text/javascript'>";
                        echo "     var flashVARS = '$flashVars'";
                        echo "</script>";
                ?>
                
                <div id="multi-stream_ContentPlaceholder" style="width: 100%; height: 100%">
                        <div id="DVR3"></div>
                </div>
                
                <script type="text/javascript">         
                        var parameters = {
                                        //src: "http://192.168.1.132:1935/live/test.stream/playlist.m3u8?dvr%26wowzatokenstarttime=1431011232%26wowzatokenendtime=1431616032%26wowzatokenCustomParameter=myParameter%26wowzatokenhash=mYi16NKewsnMr42ed8lkPukzXTTqOHzBolXKHLCvZBY=",
                                        src:flashVARS,
                                        autoPlay: "false",
                                        streamType : "dvr",
                                        controlBarAutoHide: "false",
                                        controlBarPosition: "bottom"
                                };
                                
                                
                        swfobject.embedSWF("StrobeMediaPlayback.swf","DVR3", 640, 480, "10.3.0", "expressInstall.swf", parameters, 
                                                                {allowFullScreen: "true",wmode: "opaque"},
                                                                {name: "DVR3"}
                                                          );
                </script>
        </body>
</html>



SO.... As for what code you want to learn... it depends on what your trying to do. If you need to have the Server do stuff, like query a database for something, you must use a server side scripting language like PHP, Java, ASPX, or a couple other ones out there. If want to make the page Look amazing, that's HTML and CSS. If you want to to FEEL amazing, that's javascript.

If your wanting to learn web development, start learning HTML and CSS. Once you feel comfortable in that, start adding in Javascript. If you just want to build something right away for a friend or something... Wordpress (or any CMS) already has everything pre-built. You can then try to figure out what its doing, and change the code to make any subtle changes you want. (i.e. I see lots of wordpress pages that do not handle wide options in menus properly, where they need to adjust the CSS)


Thank you.

I have some foundation set for HTML, and know a little bit of CSS. I don't remember everything from my head, so I have some tutorial pages open with abbreviations etc.

I guess I will be using Wordpress then.

Not sure if I understand everything you said about your script, what is security token for?
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Hmm, can anyone recommend ''drag and drop'' website building type platform that allows full exportation of website, unlike weebly, squarespace etc. ?

Specifically interested in something with eCommerce options.
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Hmm, can anyone recommend ''drag and drop'' website building type platform that allows full exportation of website, unlike weebly, squarespace etc. ?

Specifically interested in something with eCommerce options.

If you're going to do eComm, you're going to have to get your hands dirty and do some server-side programming at some point in time.

Probably the easiest starting point i can think of off the top of my head is any Wordpress themes that are built on WooCommerce (e-comm) + Page Builder (drag-and-drop via widgets)...

EDIT: I just realized you're asking about platforms. That's a pretty tricky one. Pretty much every decent "easy-to-use" platform is going to charge you a monthly fee and/or a per transaction fee. If you're willing to spend the money then yeah you have quite a lot of options. If you don't then you're stuck with whatever you can get, or you need to start learning to code...
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If you're going to do eComm, you're going to have to get your hands dirty and do some server-side programming at some point in time.

Probably the easiest starting point i can think of off the top of my head is any Wordpress themes that are built on WooCommerce (e-comm) + Page Builder (drag-and-drop via widgets)...

EDIT: I just realized you're asking about platforms. That's a pretty tricky one. Pretty much every decent "easy-to-use" platform is going to charge you a monthly fee and/or a per transaction fee. If you're willing to spend the money then yeah you have quite a lot of options. If you don't then you're stuck with whatever you can get, or you need to start learning to code...

''then yeah you have quite a lot of options'' could you name some please?
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easy: 1 & 1 shop
hard: Magento
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1&1 was terrible last i looked (was a few years ago).... I felt bad for a client that hired someone to make them a commerce website and they spent $8K and 2 months for a person to give them a site that wouldn't do half of what they wanted...
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