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and if people and many others who read this do not rma these units no one would have gotten improved panels from September manufacture to October manufacture. Why would panel makers improve, they won't know there is problem

This.
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Your right, it is always bad if you need convince yourself. But I guess with these monitors some compromises will be necessary. I'm worry I can get much worse next. On the other hand I can get better one.

October/November batch. Well you know, maybe they did not improve and you just had a bad luck with first one and got a pretty decent one on the second attempt but maybe they did not change anything in their process.
But you know, you return to retailers and they most probably resell them. Would be better to directly return to manufacturer by retailer, then maybe this would have some effects.
I see, then it's no problem of course.

There is always fear that you can get worse...

Same is with job. If your job right now is horrible, you should quit and change it. I do it. If I always think that I may get worse job I would still sit in job I hated from bottom of my heart.

Besides you won't know until you try misiak. Telling yourself that you can get worse one- you have no proof of that. So far replacements, while not perfect, were better than first one. I think if you will see in November people posting here very good PGs you will hate yourself for not replacing when you had your rights to do it.

But in the end, of course- its your call mate, and if you are happy with your current PG, keep it smile.gif. I won't stop until I get 100% acceptable monitor.
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Just don't come here complaining when you have returned your almost perfect PG279Q, had a worse replacement PG279Q, tried the Acer XB271 and found that was worse etc etc. lol. You could probably put some tape or slide some card in the bezel and get that small amount of BLB to be almost invisible. A PG279Q with no orange corner glow, no other faults except a small amount of probably fixable BLB, in the least annoying place on the screen (top left) is about the current holy grail of 144hz AHVA.

BS. If I get worse one, I will just tell you that and return it. I will never regret returing faulty monitoir even if fault was smaller than my replacement has. LOL. It HAS FAULT. I do not feel bad about returning faulty things, jesus. If PG and XB won't satisfy me, I will simply buy Dell TN and be happy with it waiting for improved IPS technologu or OLED. lol.

And Nicholars don't tell me please that monitor has bleeding in least annoying place becasue first:

1. You are not me, your are not @misiak or anyone else and you have NO IDEA what is annoying or distaracting for us. However please share what is distracting for you.
2. You don't have monitor.
3. You didn't play on this one
4. You didn't see how it looks like in real life when you play games- if it is annoying or not.
5, You have no idea if it is distracting, annoying or not for you since YOU DO NOT OWN IT, YOU DID NOY PLAY ON IT, YOU DID NOT SEE THIS BLEEDING.

I can tell you it is as distracting for me while playing as HELL. And don't dare to tell me it is not annoying. Maybe for you, but then specify please for you instead of trying to force YOUR STANDARDS on someone else.

So cut your smart advices to people that have one and say it is annoying, telling them that it is not annoying at all if you don't own one with EXACT same fault. Then you can tell if its annoying or not FOR YOU.

Go and buy yourself one first. Sometimes I feel like you try to force us to keep faulty products so when you will buy one with faults and keep it- you won't feel bad for keeping faulty crap that you should not accept in first place. But again- your money, your business.
Edited by Benny89 - 11/8/15 at 6:05am
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Just don't come here complaining when you have returned your almost perfect PG279Q, had a worse replacement PG279Q, tried the Acer XB271 and found that was worse etc etc. lol. You could probably put some tape or slide some card in the bezel and get that small amount of BLB to be almost invisible. A PG279Q with no orange corner glow, no other faults except a small amount of probably fixable BLB, in the least annoying place on the screen (top left) is about the current holy grail of 144hz AHVA.

Well I would agree with this. I'm sure if he would dismantle the panel and put some tape, it would be fixed. It developed because of heat and as material stretched some bleed has leaked. But of course doing this you would void the warranty. Is it worth of risk for such expensive thing? Probably yes because the change you will get even worse is bigger.

I'm in different situation, despite of a little bleed I would keep this panel. For me it's not as distracting as bad uniformity. Problem with this luminance variance is just not acceptable for me on such premium panel. It's too much, I can clearly see once browsing web, work in eclipse or explorer windows. Maybe it would be fine if this is up to 20% max. difference, but I would say it's at least 30% + that yellowish tint in top 1/3. XB270HU is much better in this aspect, you can see slight gama shift at the top but no yellow tint. However, everything is else is better on Asus.
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As above it will be the same panel. AUO are clearly on a mission to bring down every major monitor manufacturer with their crappy products, or at the very least set a new standard that is so poor, people are actually going to be grateful for only half a screen that has bleed and glow. The vast majority of people don't even know who AUO are, they just blame Acer, Asus, Eizo etc. for the 'premium' monitor they've paid for which is plagued with faults. These are dark days indeed. frown.gif

But whos fault is this ? It's not AUO fault. It's fault of manufacturers buying such crap quality panels without proper QC. AUO is able to produce perfect panel, however it is maybe 1:100. All others will have some flaws. If manufacturers deny all defective panels, AUO should reflect this or they can close their factories. I would pay maybe 1500e if they can guarantee me perfect panel with no dust, no dead/stuck pixel, no bleed, no uniformity issues. Yes, I would. Unfortunately, they don't do it so we have underwent all this painful procedure until we find a good one.
post #4213 of 9401
Only joking mate don't get annoyed smile.gif

Yes I agree backlight bleed is EXTREMELY irritating....

But just saying the one you have is better than every other 144hz AHVA panel, I have seen online or used myself...

Try my suggestion.....

Do not use IPS (or TN, or any low contrast screen) in a 100% dark room.... Order a 1w or 2w 6500k LED bulb and put it somewhere in the room, so that the monitor is not the ONLY light source in the room.... This will make it look a LOT better trust me, and the room is still dark enough as its only 1/2W.

If I had that monitor you pictured, I would DEFINITELY try sticking some card or tape under the bezel to remove most of that backlight bleed (without dismantling the screen), and also use an ambient 6500k light in the room so the monitor is not the only light source.... With those 2 things you could probably make that panel 99% perfect and reduce that bleed to almost invisible. I never use IPS in a 100% dark room, the only screen I use with the lights off is my local dimming 3000:1 contrast VA TV (6000:1 with dimming), even that does not have perfect blacks but they are good enough until I can afford an OLED.

Not saying that I would not find that irritating (I would) but you should try to fix it... as the panel is perfect except for that and one of the only screens I have seen that does not have the horrible orange glow.
Edited by Nicholars - 11/8/15 at 6:23am
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Only joking mate don't get annoyed smile.gif

Yes I agree backlight bleed is EXTREMELY irritating....

But just saying the one you have is better than every other 144hz AHVA panel, I have seen online or used myself...

Try my suggestion.....

Do not use IPS (or TN, or any low contrast screen) in a 100% dark room.... Order a 1w or 2w 6500k LED bulb and put it somewhere in the room, so that the monitor is not the ONLY light source in the room.... This will make it look a LOT better trust me

If I had that monitor you pictured, I would DEFINITELY try sticking some card or tape under the bezel to remove most of that backlight bleed (without dismantling the screen), and also use an ambient 6500k light in the room so the monitor is not the only light source.... With those 2 things you could probably make that panel 99% perfect and reduce that bleed to almost invisible. I never use IPS in a 100% dark room, the only screen I use with the lights off is my local dimming 3000:1 contrast VA TV (6000:1 with dimming), even that does not have perfect blacks but they are good enough until I can afford an OLED.

Not trying to force you to do anything, or saying that I would not find that irritating (I would) but you should try to fix it... as the panel is perfect except for that and one of the only screens I have seen that does not have the horrible orange glow.

Don't think I didn't try. I tried to bend bezels near bleeding- no influence, sticking something between panel and bezel- no change. I tighten up chasis screw at the bottom of panel- no change. I loosen it up to alsmot removing screw- no change.

Hell, I even bent side bezel enough to almost make permanent bent but it had no influence on bleeding. When you touch PANEL itself it affect bleeding. Bezel has nothing to do with it in case of this bleeding place.

I tried massage method, burning method and cooling method (left monitor today on balcony for night, it was about 3-5 C outside)- no effect on bleeding at left side.

Just by this I can tell you that in case of this monitor or at least my unit- BLB on left side is fault INSIDE panel itself, probably under screen and bezels and chasis HAS NO EFFECT on it so far as I tested. I would have to examine and try to fix something within panel itself, which is of course super big risk. I can easly make it a lot worse and then not being able to return it, RMA it or get replacement.

I prefer to take safer route and try replacement again.

Besides I just prefer playing in dark room, that is my style. And I have nothing against IPS in total dark and its GLOW. But bleeding is no go, it is fault and I won't install bulb, buying bulb to be able to overcome fault. Fault should not be there. Period.
Edited by Benny89 - 11/8/15 at 7:09am
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This.
There is always fear that you can get worse...

Same is with job. If your job right now is horrible, you should quit and change it. I do it. If I always think that I may get worse job I would still sit in job I hated from bottom of my heart.

Besides you won't know until you try misiak. Telling yourself that you can get worse one- you have no proof of that. So far replacements, while not perfect, were better than first one. I think if you will see in November people posting here very good PGs you will hate yourself for not replacing when you had your rights to do it.

But in the end, of course- its your call mate, and if you are happy with your current PG, keep it smile.gif. I won't stop until I get 100% acceptable monitor.
BS. If I get worse one, I will just tell you that and return it. I will never regret returing faulty monitoir even if fault was smaller than my replacement has. LOL. It HAS FAULT. I do not feel bad about returning faulty things, jesus. If PG and XB won't satisfy me, I will simply buy Dell TN and be happy with it waiting for improved IPS technologu or OLED. lol.

And Nicholars don't tell me please that monitor has bleeding in least annoying place becasue first:

1. You are not me, your are not @misiak or anyone else and you have NO IDEA what is annoying or distaracting for us. However please share what is distracting for you.
2. You don't have monitor.
3. You didn't play on this one
4. You didn't see how it looks like in real life when you play games- if it is annoying or not.
5, You have no idea if it is distracting, annoying or not for you since YOU DO NOT OWN IT, YOU DID NOY PLAY ON IT, YOU DID NOT SEE THIS BLEEDING.

I can tell you it is as distracting for me while playing as HELL. And don't dare to tell me it is not annoying. Maybe for you, but then specify please for you instead of trying to force YOUR STANDARDS on someone else.

So cut your smart advices to people that have one and say it is annoying, telling them that it is not annoying at all if you don't own one with EXACT same fault. Then you can tell if its annoying or not FOR YOU.

Go and buy yourself one first. Sometimes I feel like you try to force us to keep faulty products so when you will buy one with faults and keep it- you won't feel bad for keeping faulty crap that you should not accept in first place. But again- your money, your business.

But it's better to have not perfect work than no work Benny smile.gif You know, these are not professional monitors for thousands euros so we can't expect perfect uniformity. But there is a border where it's still acceptable and where not. Same with BLB and glow. You must find that border. None will be perfect. If it is distracting for someone, there is no other way than return it. Everyone must ask himself a question. Yes, it's not perfect but can I live with that without being distracted ???

Btw, how many attempts your retailer is going to give you ? smile.gif And, how do you know TN Dell with satisfy you ? I don't think it will, uniformity is big issue with them. But you may try...

For @Nicholars I may say that any kind of bleed is damn distracting. And even more if it is not symmetric. Even a tiny one can make you crazy because you realize it could be perfect screen but this just ruined everything.
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Only joking mate don't get annoyed smile.gif

Yes I agree backlight bleed is EXTREMELY irritating....

But just saying the one you have is better than every other 144hz AHVA panel, I have seen online or used myself...

Try my suggestion.....

Do not use IPS (or TN, or any low contrast screen) in a 100% dark room.... Order a 1w or 2w 6500k LED bulb and put it somewhere in the room, so that the monitor is not the ONLY light source in the room.... This will make it look a LOT better trust me, and the room is still dark enough as its only 1/2W.

If I had that monitor you pictured, I would DEFINITELY try sticking some card or tape under the bezel to remove most of that backlight bleed (without dismantling the screen), and also use an ambient 6500k light in the room so the monitor is not the only light source.... With those 2 things you could probably make that panel 99% perfect and reduce that bleed to almost invisible. I never use IPS in a 100% dark room, the only screen I use with the lights off is my local dimming 3000:1 contrast VA TV (6000:1 with dimming), even that does not have perfect blacks but they are good enough until I can afford an OLED.

Not saying that I would not find that irritating (I would) but you should try to fix it... as the panel is perfect except for that and one of the only screens I have seen that does not have the horrible orange glow.

Playing in a pitch black room definitely made Alien Isolation better. I think any game with a serious creep factor needs to be played like that. Was damn nice to have my PG278Q for that one.
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Playing in a pitch black room definitely made Alien Isolation better. I think any game with a serious creep factor needs to be played like that. Was damn nice to have my PG278Q for that one.

Games that are all dark / night are just poor on any IPS or TN screen, I played alien isolation on my local dimming VA TV with the lights off and it was good, play dark games on your TV or any non IPS/TN screen. You are better off with a high contrast 60hz screen (VA/OLED TV or VA monitor) for any dark games.
Edited by Nicholars - 11/8/15 at 9:19am
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But it's better to have not perfect work than no work Benny smile.gif You know, these are not professional monitors for thousands euros so we can't expect perfect uniformity. But there is a border where it's still acceptable and where not. Same with BLB and glow. You must find that border. None will be perfect. If it is distracting for someone, there is no other way than return it. Everyone must ask himself a question. Yes, it's not perfect but can I live with that without being distracted ???

Btw, how many attempts your retailer is going to give you ? smile.gif And, how do you know TN Dell with satisfy you ? I don't think it will, uniformity is big issue with them. But you may try...

For @Nicholars I may say that any kind of bleed is damn distracting. And even more if it is not symmetric. Even a tiny one can make you crazy because you realize it could be perfect screen but this just ruined everything.

Depends, sometimes it is better to not have job than horrible job IF YOU can allow yourself for it. So it depends.

I can allow myself to play lottery for perfect monitor, I am in no rush, I can play games in meantime on my 1080p. So I have no reason to accept faulties.

I belive there are perfect ones and people are too fast to belive there are none simply becasuse that gives them excuse to keep faulty ones.

And my retailer. Law states that if product is faulty- they have to:
1. Repair
2. If 1 is not possible- replace me with new one
3. If 1 and 2 are not possible- refund.

Also by the law- RMAed proofed products cannot be sold by store again as new products but have to be sold as used or send back to producer. I will keep up with my lottery wink.gif.

So as long as they can get monitor they have to give me replacement if my RMA is proofed as fault. And bleeding is fault so my RMA are accepted. Besides here if this monitor costs 3,5k PLN- they want that money since there are few people in my country that are willing to pay that much for single monitor.

Besides, I can't try to lie to myself that I can live with bleeding, because I know I won't. It will bother always, ever, every day. I play game to relax, not to be bothered smile.gif. So I will try. Each to his own. smile.gif
Edited by Benny89 - 11/8/15 at 9:35am
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Depends, sometimes it is better to not have job than horrible job IF YOU can allow yourself for it. So it depends.

I can allow myself to play lottery for perfect monitor, I am in no rush, I can play games in meantime on my 1080p. So I have no reason to accept faulties.

I belive there are perfect ones and people are too fast to belive there are none simply becasuse that gives them excuse to keep faulty ones.

And my retailer. Law states that if product is faulty- they have to:
1. Repair
2. If 1 is not possible- replace me with new one
3. If 1 and 2 are not possible- refund.

Also by the law- RMAed proofed products cannot be sold by store again as new products but have to be sold as used or send back to producer. I will keep up with my lottery wink.gif.

So as long as they can get monitor they have to give me replacement if my RMA is proofed as fault. And bleeding is fault so my RMA are accepted. Besides here if this monitor costs 3,5k PLN- they want that money since there are few people in my country that are willing to pay that much for single monitor.

Besides, I can't try to lie to myself that I can live with bleeding, because I know I won't. It will bother always, ever, every day. I play game to relax, not to be bothered smile.gif. So I will try. Each to his own. smile.gif

Problem is that even certain amount of dead/stuck pixels is not a fault according ISO 13406-2. The norm is 2 dead pixel for million pixels or 5 stuck pixels. Also BLB is not considered as a fault and uniformity detto. So what do you think retailer do ? They will not accept any RMA from your side. Only thing you can do is return until 14 days all over again. But I'm sure your retailer will not like it sooner or later. Of course you can buy from someone else and play again.

3,5k PLN... it's same in Slovakia dude. We have very similar average salary. So it is harder for us to accept some flaws than other western EU countries or US.
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Guy, is there any other owner here besides Benny, who can confirm or deny this luminance issue on his panel ??? Thx!


Edited by misiak - 11/8/15 at 11:43am
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