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Personally I would keep one with a dead pixel if it did not have backlight bleed or any uniformity problems etc. I mean seriously can you even see 1 dead pixel at 110PPI unless you are specifically looking for it? Unless it is black and bang in the middle of the screen.

Good luck on your quest for a 144hz AHVA screen with zero dead pixel, dust, backlight bleed and perfect uniformity, see you in about 3 years when you finally get one tongue.gif (if there is actually a single one in existance that is 100% perfect)

I must agree with Nicholars on this but only in certain conditions. On my XB270HU I counted at least 10 faulty subpixel (shining green on black) and maybe 1 which appears like dead. I don't know it is too small. But it's de facto impossible to see them on a display even I know roughly where they are. I must be damn close to see. So if I would have great uniformity and no BLB I would definitely keep it. But of course depends if the pixel is visible or not. If I could see it with my naked eye from normal distance, I would return it as well.

In my opinion 99% of displays from AUO will have defective pixel or sub-pixel. I had those greens on both XB270HU and PG279Q... And from my experience this is the smallest issue these panels may have...

Also I'm sad that you did not check uniformity and light bleed selbyftw. At least you could report on this to us...Btw, your dead pixel, did you see it in normal situation or you had to look for it ? Did you have only one ? Btw, maybe it would gone within 3 days smile.gif If possible, unbox it back and check uniformity - especially yellow glow at top and BLB/glow. Thanks.
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Actually on the 3 x MG279Q and 1 X XB270HU I had, I did not see any dead pixels on any of them, but the orange backlight bleed and uniformity is more important to me because a dead pixel at 108 PPI is literally a miniscule tiny little speck which is almost invisible, compared to a MASSIVE ORANGE BLOB or a HALF GREEN screen etc. which is a lot worse!
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Hey, I'm soon going to invest into a PG279Q or a XB271HU monitor, but it seems that the chance of a getting a monitor without defects is pretty low. Defects such as BLB, too much IPS glow (that is sometimes yellow), dead/hot/stuck pixels, luminance uniformity differences of +30% (sometimes with yellow tints), etc...
I'm reading that people are going through 3+ screens before you get one you like, how does this work in practice?

A common scenario is described below and I would like some more information on certain steps in the process.
You order 1 screen, after a couple of days (or weeks if they're out of stock..) it arrives at your home, and you test it. If it has too many defects (in your opinion) you'll request a RMA and send it back (your own costs) and wait for the store to return your money.

The requesting RMA part is somewhat unclear for me, for people in Europe do you use the Distance Selling consumer law protection? With this law you have 14 days to test/use the product with the option to send it back and always get your money back (assuming correct use of the product, duh).

Or do you actually declare the product as faulty to the retailer?
Depending on what you do, if declared as faulty do you then order it from the same retailer?

And if you return it via the Distance Selling law do you go to a different retailer so they don't 'suspect abuse'?

Do you wait until you get your money back from the same retailer before buying another one?
Do you buy a new one before the other has finished processing the RMA after sending it back?

Thanks for your help smile.gif

Well, my supplier consider Backlight Bleeding as a fault and reason to RMA so I just RMA each faulty PG and wait for replacement. No need for refund, purchase- refund etc. game.

I just RMA, send back (RMA means I send back and supplier pays for courier, not me) and wait for another replacement.

For some backlight bleeding might not be fault (lol...) but my supplier agrees that is something that absolutely SHOULD NOT be there. And they are right- bleeding is not part of screen, right?

Can you imagine buying 65" TV and having bleeding strip on it? No. Store would accept RMA, and my supplier accept it for monitors.

I can't imagine that some supplier would say that BLB is not a foult lol. That is just riddiculous.
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Just saying if you get one with perfect uniformity and no orange bleed and one dead pixel, just keep it! The next one will more than likely have orange bleed or a half yellow screen, or a half green screen or etc etc etc etc.

I am bored of getting argued with for trying to be helpful, I will just stop doing it now. Have fun returning 10+ screens trying to get a 100% perfect panel and eventually giving up and buying a TN.

Couldn't have said it better.
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It really depends where that dead pixel is though. For me, if I have a dead pixel anywhere near the center of the screen, it goes back, since I'd be seeing it pretty much all the time. On the other hand if it's on a corner, it's not so bad, and the monitor is otherwise perfect I'd probably keep it.

I'm getting my monitor tomorrow and I'm not too optimistic at this point.
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Because they literally don't exist or are about 1 in 100

Loads of reports of people returning 5+ monitors and still not getting a good one.

Just saying if you get one with perfect uniformity and no orange bleed and one dead pixel, just keep it! The next one will more than likely have orange bleed or a half yellow screen, or a half green screen or etc etc etc etc.

I am bored of getting argued with for trying to be helpful, I will just stop doing it now. Have fun returning 10+ screens trying to get a 100% perfect panel and eventually giving up and buying a TN.

Well it shouldn't be that way. Every monitor should be perfect, if you want to charge someone nearly £1000 make sure you monitor is good.

I know what you're saying but I won't accept dead pixels regardless of what the other bleed etc is like. I know there are perfect panels out there and they should all be like that.

I had a dell ips that was dead pixel free with no backlight bleed or glow at all so it's possible.

What you're saying is we should just accept faults and be happy with them. Dead pixels are fault.
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I must agree with Nicholars on this but only in certain conditions. On my XB270HU I counted at least 10 faulty subpixel (shining green on black) and maybe 1 which appears like dead. I don't know it is too small. But it's de facto impossible to see them on a display even I know roughly where they are. I must be damn close to see. So if I would have great uniformity and no BLB I would definitely keep it. But of course depends if the pixel is visible or not. If I could see it with my naked eye from normal distance, I would return it as well.

In my opinion 99% of displays from AUO will have defective pixel or sub-pixel. I had those greens on both XB270HU and PG279Q... And from my experience this is the smallest issue these panels may have...

Also I'm sad that you did not check uniformity and light bleed selbyftw. At least you could report on this to us...Btw, your dead pixel, did you see it in normal situation or you had to look for it ? Did you have only one ? Btw, maybe it would gone within 3 days smile.gif If possible, unbox it back and check uniformity - especially yellow glow at top and BLB/glow. Thanks.


Hello, I've unboxed and checked again. There is a slight yellow bleed to the bottom left corner and a big ips glow on the right.

First picture is a picture of the glow ect then the second is a screen grab of a video

Edited by selbyftw - 11/10/15 at 12:11pm
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Every time I look at my cheap 600 dollar Samsung plasma TV, I realize how much all those gaming monitors suck a huge D. Especially those 24" TN ones with horrible AG coatings on top of already washed out trash colors. Im not even speaking about color uniformity, because there are galaxies in between and it would be unfair. But the contrast alone is hundreds of times better.

Its like 50x easier to spot enemies on a Display with superb contrast and such clarity with a glass front, thats when I watch the gameplay I record or other streams on my plasma tv. And its like 50x easier on the eyes too in general, given that the contrast and clarity are insanely good.

OLED monitors really cant come soon enough. All the LCD trash needs to F off really hard already.

Sorry for the rant..
Edited by Stars - 11/10/15 at 12:42pm
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Because they literally don't exist or are about 1 in 100

Loads of reports of people returning 5+ monitors and still not getting a good one.

Just saying if you get one with perfect uniformity and no orange bleed and one dead pixel, just keep it! The next one will more than likely have orange bleed or a half yellow screen, or a half green screen or etc etc etc etc.

I am bored of getting argued with for trying to be helpful, I will just stop doing it now. Have fun returning 10+ screens trying to get a 100% perfect panel and eventually giving up and buying a TN.

You know what's funny? After these people finally give up trying to get a perfect AHVA panel and try their luck with TN screens, they will simply whine and cry about inversion artifacts on them and then wind up doing the same thing over again. Some people will simply never be happy unless they get an absolute 100% perfect monitor which practically doesn't exist. Sorry but in the monitor market you gotta pick your poison and simply choose which faults you are willing to live with.
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I don't like TN and I would rather have a 90% perfect IPS than a 100% TN, but this is not looking good, if I cannot get a good 144hz IPS I might just get a 60hz IPS and wait for something better to come out, I have no idea why 90% of them have orange glow, then a few people are reporting no orange glow, maybe it is backlight bleed I have no idea, but all 4 of the 144hz AHVA panels I tried had orange glow.
Edited by Nicholars - 11/10/15 at 1:08pm
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