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Originally Posted by PureAngus View Post

Lets just ignore the manufacturing machinery, maintenance on all of them, the hundreds upon hundreds of man hours put in by engineers (who all earn close to or above 6 figures/year) during R&D, etc etc. There's so many things that add to the cost of a product and frankly Im surprised they are able to go as low as $199.

It's literally a refresh of Maxwell on 16nm, no real R&D done there. The reason they can go to $199 is because it doesn't actually cost a lot of money altogether. They are operating on mass market - sell as many as possible at lower margin = more profit than sell few at high margin. Obviously nVidia didn't get the memo. A company can survive on low margins if it allows them to undercut the competitor. $199 is certainly an undercutting price.

nVidia just highly overprice their high end cards which are heavily cut on certain components anyway.
  • No real ASync support
  • Low VRAM quantity (4GB on a 980 at a time when games were creeping up to 4GB?)
  • Weak compute (let's just cut all the double precision and charge insane amounts for it on our Quadros, let's not even leave a little bit of Double Precision for occasional users of CAD or hobbyists, let's just cut it all).

There are more things out there that both AMD and nVidia do that are sneaky and downright unfair on the consumer, but AMD seems to have less gall than nVidia;
  • Supporting initiatives like Vulkan by developing Mantle
  • Driving the research behind HBM
  • Placing 8GB of VRAM on their high end cards as an option for those looking to keep the cards a little longer
  • First proper mainstream watercooled card
  • GPUOpen
  • Doesn't use fps-draining, weak effect rendering techniques applied by nVidia Gameworks. nVidia Gameworks is just another way of saying, we will apply render-farm style techniques to absolutely bog down your fps for little visual gain.

And I say this as a long term nVidia owner. I'm still happy with my 980 Ti, only because the Fury X only had 4GB of VRAM. If the Fury X had 6GB+, I would never have bought a 980 Ti.
Edited by Desolutional - 6/4/16 at 3:01am
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firestrike runs-

under 1500Mhz overclock: http://www.3dmark.com/fs/8384495

over 1500Mhz overclock: http://www.3dmark.com/fs/8083845

over 1500Mhz overclock w/ LOD tweaks: http://www.3dmark.com/fs/8064293

wooo over 23k at 1500mhz tongue.gif
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It's literally a refresh of Maxwell on 16nm, no real R&D done there. The reason they can go to $199 is because it doesn't actually cost a lot of money altogether. They are operating on mass market - sell as many as possible at lower margin = more profit than sell few at high margin. Obviously nVidia didn't get the memo. A company can survive on low margins if it allows them to undercut the competitor. $199 is certainly an undercutting price.

nVidia just highly overprice their high end cards which are heavily cut on certain components anyway.
  • No real ASync support
  • Low VRAM quantity (4GB on a 980 at a time when games were creeping up to 4GB?)
  • Weak compute (let's just cut all the double precision and charge insane amounts for it on our Quadros, let's not even leave a little bit of Double Precision for occasional users of CAD or hobbyists, let's just cut it all).

There are more things out there that both AMD and nVidia do that are sneaky and downright unfair on the consumer, but AMD seems to have less gall than nVidia;
  • Supporting initiatives like Vulkan by developing Mantle
  • Driving the research behind HBM
  • Placing 8GB of VRAM on their high end cards as an option for those looking to keep the cards a little longer
  • First proper mainstream watercooled card
  • GPUOpen
  • Doesn't use fps-draining, weak effect rendering techniques applied by nVidia Gameworks. nVidia Gameworks is just another way of saying, we will apply render-farm style techniques to absolutely bog down your fps for little visual gain.

And I say this as a long term nVidia owner. I'm still happy with my 980 Ti, only because the Fury X only had 4GB of VRAM. If the Fury X had 6GB+, I would never have bought a 980 Ti.
Very well said.
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Originally Posted by Desolutional View Post

It's literally a refresh of Maxwell on 16nm, no real R&D done there. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
The reason they can go to $199 is because it doesn't actually cost a lot of money altogether. They are operating on mass market - sell as many as possible at lower margin = more profit than sell few at high margin. Obviously nVidia didn't get the memo. A company can survive on low margins if it allows them to undercut the competitor. $199 is certainly an undercutting price.

nVidia just highly overprice their high end cards which are heavily cut on certain components anyway.
  • No real ASync support
  • Low VRAM quantity (4GB on a 980 at a time when games were creeping up to 4GB?)
  • Weak compute (let's just cut all the double precision and charge insane amounts for it on our Quadros, let's not even leave a little bit of Double Precision for occasional users of CAD or hobbyists, let's just cut it all).

There are more things out there that both AMD and nVidia do that are sneaky and downright unfair on the consumer, but AMD seems to have less gall than nVidia;
  • Supporting initiatives like Vulkan by developing Mantle
  • Driving the research behind HBM
  • Placing 8GB of VRAM on their high end cards as an option for those looking to keep the cards a little longer
  • First proper mainstream watercooled card
  • GPUOpen
  • Doesn't use fps-draining, weak effect rendering techniques applied by nVidia Gameworks. nVidia Gameworks is just another way of saying, we will apply render-farm style techniques to absolutely bog down your fps for little visual gain.

And I say this as a long term nVidia owner. I'm still happy with my 980 Ti, only because the Fury X only had 4GB of VRAM. If the Fury X had 6GB+, I would never have bought a 980 Ti.

but but but you're forgetting all those "billions of dollars and hundreds of engineers" optimizing pacal's clock speeds. biggrin.gif

and fwiw, pascal does support async; its just not nearly as "eloquent" as AMD's. whether or not it's "real" is . . .subjective.
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Probably, parts of the cards' price tags were intended to feed game devs to delay full utilization of DX12 into their games. As AMD cards can really leverage on the technology over nVidia.

hmmmm

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Gents,

Either I'm dense or blind, but I can't seem to figure out how in the world I am to pull my stock bios and the flashing process to a modded bios, I'm using a custom loop and would like to take advantage of the cooling headroom I have to get some higher clocks. My gpu is the

P/N: 06G-P4-4995-KR

I did search and read the OP, it didn't seem clear and I'd rather be safe than sorry.
post #13267 of 16160
There's some info in this thread

http://www.overclock.net/t/1521334/official-nvflash-with-certificate-checks-bypassed-for-gtx-950-960-970-980-980ti-titan-x

You can extract your existing bios with NV Flash or GPU-Z, good idea to save your stock bios.
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Hello all.I posted this originally in Nvidia GTX 900 cards custom bios (upon request )
I just modified my case for better airflow and swapped a couple fan for better ones (have now 10 fans) and fixed the ac in my house. so i figured its time to mess with the gpu again.
has anyone tried running the card (980ti) on 1.2740 on Air?
when i do so i get to ~1582
the temp of the core moves around 65c-67c
i tested it only for 2 hours.
is it safe?

Update:
Just ran it at 1544 @ 1.2740 (too afraid to run it at 1582) for 45 min. gonna keep bumping it up and see where it goes.

before Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

after Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

before Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

after Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

forgot to log in gpuz
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With everyone posting their top FS runs figured I would toss mine in the ring also.

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/8366229

That score puts me in 7th place among 6700k and 1080sli. Think ill stick with the 980tis
Edited by superkyle1721 - 6/4/16 at 3:05pm
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Davidcapi: Under the votage table tab, Adjust the two sliders under the fixed voltage slider. For example, set the min to 1275 and that should max you out on your voltage. You're limited by hardware and will only be able to got so far without hardware modifications. I think mine only goes to 1.274. And once I modded my bios I don't move the slider in afterburner cuz It locks me up; Iactually run at 1261v. Good luck

The bios that came with my card wont show those 2 extra sliders under the voltage slider but instead it goes to P00,P sliders and so on. So I tried the BIOS at the beginning of this thread but it was giving me slower results in Heaven (20fps) even when voltage and clock speeds where higher. GPU-Z showed 1.27v / 1600Mhz core. Think I need to reinstall drivers with each new BIOS? I did restart after each flash.

I tried another oen I found somewhere, for 980ti G1 cards and two of my display ports didn't work so I reverted back.
Edited by davidcapi - 6/4/16 at 3:07pm
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