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hi guys, i do not know how to put my question. Recently someone told me that nvidia somehow rigs its drivers for old gpus that they would perform less than before so people would upgrade, he also said a 780Ti which used to beat a 290x now even a 290 beats it .... please tell me this is not true ? i am seriously now considering to upgrade to a 1070 :'(
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Originally Posted by SauronTheGreat View Post

hi guys, i do not know how to put my question. Recently someone told me that nvidia somehow rigs its drivers for old gpus that they would perform less than before so people would upgrade, he also said a 780Ti which used to beat a 290x now even a 290 beats it .... please tell me this is not true ? i am seriously now considering to upgrade to a 1070 :'(
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Listen. Performance enhancement drivers for each series of cards are done after about 6 months of their release. If you're using a newer driver than one that was released later than fall of last year, it should only be because you need it for a specific fix, or a specific game. I'm still using 353.62, and it was released in July. As drivers come out for the new generation of cards, the last generation falls off the radar. They're still "supported", but they're not really looking for the tweaks to make them work better any more. Find yourself a good driver, and stick with it...unless you have some odd problem that one of the new drivers fixes.

AMD's cards are performing better, because AMD is still releasing performance improvement drivers for the 2xx series, and they're just NOW catching up to where they should have been 6 months after they release.
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Originally Posted by SauronTheGreat View Post

hi guys, i do not know how to put my question. Recently someone told me that nvidia somehow rigs its drivers for old gpus that they would perform less than before so people would upgrade, he also said a 780Ti which used to beat a 290x now even a 290 beats it .... please tell me this is not true ? i am seriously now considering to upgrade to a 1070 :'(

your friend is misinformed.

as i typed that i saw Vellinious replied and completely agree with his last:
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AMD's cards are performing better, because AMD is still releasing performance improvement drivers for the 2xx series, and they're just NOW catching up to where they should have been 6 months after they release.

since the AMDs 2xx series (really since the 7xxx series) nvidia has released maxwell and now pascel where as AMD is still on GCN (though with some tweeks) if you look at a few reviews sites that just don't use older benchmarks for kepler cards, like techpowerup, you'll see that kepler still gets some performance increases.

one theory is nvidia releases cards with very good drivers to start so there isn't much "left in the tank" for further optimizations.

the opposite is nvida gimps performance on older cards to get people to upgrade, as your friends states.

i believe it is more the first one than the second.

btw, the 780ti wasn't "that far ahead" of the 290x on release; the 290(x) did make up some ground at 4k resolution even then. wink.gif
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AMD simply has better post-release driver support.

780TI can still beat R9 290Xs when properly set-up, on games that are optimised for them (less compute requirements) etc.

I recently pumped a 780 to its knees on water. Pretty good! 1500 for a 780 is pretty fun! Can't hold a stick with a 290 though.

The truth with nVidia is, using a current driver released for the current flagship will hurt the older card's performance. Use the one optimised for them and you'll be fine. thumb.gif

It just sucks that some support are being drooped on the new drivers for the older cards. i.e. SLI support for 700 series cards.
Edited by mus1mus - 7/1/16 at 7:06pm
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If anyone makes the jump up to the 10 series and has a strix block, pm me and I might be interested in buying one.
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So just bought a EVGA 980ti, just got shipped.
SC+ with BP
06G-P4-3994-KR

Can anyone just ball park the OC I can expect?
Also, If I were to SLI, is it better with an exact copy, Gigabyte G1 or an another EVGA 980ti SKU...theres so many.
I've only ever SLI'd exact models before. (2x gtx 670)

Also, if I OC, will it oc both cards or do I need to do one at a time?! never OC'd sli before either.
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So just bought a EVGA 980ti, just got shipped.
SC+ with BP
06G-P4-3994-KR

Can anyone just ball park the OC I can expect?
Also, If I were to SLI, is it better with an exact copy, Gigabyte G1 or an another EVGA 980ti SKU...theres so many.
I've only ever SLI'd exact models before. (2x gtx 670)

Also, if I OC, will it oc both cards or do I need to do one at a time?! never OC'd sli before either.
You can expect anywhere between 1450-1500. A poor overclocker will yield lower results while a good clocker obviously will yield better results. You can run different cards no problem however when running sli you are limited by the weakest card. If one only clocks to 1400 then both will be limited to 1400. When you overclock you go through the same method except you select a button that links the cards together forcing the same clock on both cards. The biggest factor when going sli is keeping the top card cool. Sli typically will leave the gap between the bottom and top card pretty small starving the top card of air. You need to put the higher ASIC card on top and hope it has the larger better cooling system also. It can be done certainly as many people including myself did it but when searching for that second card it's very important to consider how you plan to cool it.


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You can expect anywhere between 1450-1500. A poor overclocker will yield lower results while a good clocker obviously will yield better results. You can run different cards no problem however when running sli you are limited by the weakest card. If one only clocks to 1400 then both will be limited to 1400. When you overclock you go through the same method except you select a button that links the cards together forcing the same clock on both cards. The biggest factor when going sli is keeping the top card cool. Sli typically will leave the gap between the bottom and top card pretty small starving the top card of air. You need to put the higher ASIC card on top and hope it has the larger better cooling system also. It can be done certainly as many people including myself did it but when searching for that second card it's very important to consider how you plan to cool it.


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My only option is air. I dont have a case big enough to go water.
But I do have a 120mm fan mounted right where the 2-way card setup's gap should be (had it for when I had 390 CF) so hopefully these cards dont get as hot as AMD 390s ^_^

My only issue is finding the same card, here in Canada they're still at their pre-10 series prices. so people on ebay are still asking very high. just grabbed the above one for $550 ($426.20USD) and finding another to match is impossible. as the rest are asking $700-800 (543-620usd), and if I were to grab one from a US listing, I'd pay about $55usd at my door or more.

I'll be happy with a 1400-1500, is that the avg OC or like the "Highest", would rather an avg as I'm aiming for 24/7 use. (I mean my pc is always on) would not like to always keep changing clocks just to play at 5fps more.
thats why I asked if mixing different cards was fine, seems its the same principle as AMD's, just have to use a SLI bridge like before (670)

Should I bother with the fancy bridges?! or the ribbon is fine for 1440p and 4K when I go up that high(~2017), been out of the Nvidia loop since 2012.

thanks for the answers.
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You can expect anywhere between 1450-1500. A poor overclocker will yield lower results while a good clocker obviously will yield better results. You can run different cards no problem however when running sli you are limited by the weakest card. If one only clocks to 1400 then both will be limited to 1400. When you overclock you go through the same method except you select a button that links the cards together forcing the same clock on both cards. The biggest factor when going sli is keeping the top card cool. Sli typically will leave the gap between the bottom and top card pretty small starving the top card of air. You need to put the higher ASIC card on top and hope it has the larger better cooling system also. It can be done certainly as many people including myself did it but when searching for that second card it's very important to consider how you plan to cool it.


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My only option is air. I dont have a case big enough to go water.
But I do have a 120mm fan mounted right where the 2-way card setup's gap should be (had it for when I had 390 CF) so hopefully these cards dont get as hot as AMD 390s ^_^

My only issue is finding the same card, here in Canada they're still at their pre-10 series prices. so people on ebay are still asking very high. just grabbed the above one for $550 ($426.20USD) and finding another to match is impossible. as the rest are asking $700-800 (543-620usd), and if I were to grab one from a US listing, I'd pay about $55usd at my door or more.

I'll be happy with a 1400-1500, is that the avg OC or like the "Highest", would rather an avg as I'm aiming for 24/7 use. (I mean my pc is always on) would not like to always keep changing clocks just to play at 5fps more.
thats why I asked if mixing different cards was fine, seems its the same principle as AMD's, just have to use a SLI bridge like before (670)

Should I bother with the fancy bridges?! or the ribbon is fine for 1440p and 4K when I go up that high(~2017), been out of the Nvidia loop since 2012.

thanks for the answers.
1400-1500 is the average. Max depending on the card can reach as high as 1550 plus some even reaching as high as 1600 tho not many. Even with the fan there it will be hard to cool the top card. You may end up seeing some slight downclocking of the card due to temperatures but shouldn't decrease frames too much. In your case just buy what you find a great deal on don't worry about it being the same exact card. I typically buy two identical cards but hats mostly for ascetics. If your motherboard came with a bridge that will be just fine no need for a fancy led bridge or the HB bridge.


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!?
Mobo comes with the bridge?! not the GPU?
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