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Okay so I have a little issue that I have had in the recent past. Basically lets rewind back to 2015. Prior to buying my 980 Ti I had a r9 290 and a 2500k @ 4.2Ghz. I decided to go ahead a bite the bullet and buy myself a 1440p 144hz Free-sync monitor. When I played Battlefield 4 and Battlefield Hardline on that monitor with all Ultra settings (no AA) I was getting a min of 60fps with a max of 90fps. The game play was literally buttery smooth to the point I actually enjoyed playing Hardline. But after going through two monitors with backlight bleeding and that image trail that effected those monitors I decided to just go ahead a buy a 980 Ti and a 1440p 144hz G-Sync monitor. If I got such smooth gameplay from my 290 and Free-sync monitor with 60 ~ 90 fps surely I will have even smoother gameplay with 100 ~ 144 fps. How wrong I was... Sure it looked smoother than my Asus 1080p 144hz monitor but I could still feel jittering (im guessing micro-stutters) while playing games even while I was maintaining 100+ FPS. I thought maybe it was a faulty monitor and exchanged it. I still had the same issue. I eventually returned the G-Sync monitor due to other reasons and went back to just my 1080p 144hz and 980 Ti with the same 2500k @ 4.2ghz. Now I was really confused because in every game I played I actually got worse performance than I did on the 1440p monitor. It wasn't until I noticed that @ 1080p my 980 Ti was only using 40% GPU usage while my CPU is at 70% or higher.


tl;dr

290 and 1440p 144hz Free-Sync monitor was silky smooth
980 Ti and 1440p 144hz G-Sync monitor was jittery as hell
I get better performance by forcing 1440p on my 1080p monitor with my 980 Ti

Is my CPU affecting my frame times?
Will the jittering go away if I upgrade to a new CPU like a 6700k or whatever equivalent Kaby Lake cpu that is coming out soon?

Yes I made sure G-Sync was enabled.
No I cannot OC my CPU any farther.
post #14082 of 15683
w/o ever using g-sync i am going to take some BIG FAT GUESSES:

did you re-install windows?
there may have been some issue from the previous AMD drivers conflicting with nvidia.

did you try different drivers?
i've seen plenty of complaining on the geforce forum (so yeah pass the salt please) of drivers "breaking" g-sync in games or on monitors.
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Okay so I have a little issue that I have had in the recent past. Basically lets rewind back to 2015. Prior to buying my 980 Ti I had a r9 290 and a 2500k @ 4.2Ghz. I decided to go ahead a bite the bullet and buy myself a 1440p 144hz Free-sync monitor. When I played Battlefield 4 and Battlefield Hardline on that monitor with all Ultra settings (no AA) I was getting a min of 60fps with a max of 90fps. The game play was literally buttery smooth to the point I actually enjoyed playing Hardline. But after going through two monitors with backlight bleeding and that image trail that effected those monitors I decided to just go ahead a buy a 980 Ti and a 1440p 144hz G-Sync monitor. If I got such smooth gameplay from my 290 and Free-sync monitor with 60 ~ 90 fps surely I will have even smoother gameplay with 100 ~ 144 fps. How wrong I was... Sure it looked smoother than my Asus 1080p 144hz monitor but I could still feel jittering (im guessing micro-stutters) while playing games even while I was maintaining 100+ FPS. I thought maybe it was a faulty monitor and exchanged it. I still had the same issue. I eventually returned the G-Sync monitor due to other reasons and went back to just my 1080p 144hz and 980 Ti with the same 2500k @ 4.2ghz. Now I was really confused because in every game I played I actually got worse performance than I did on the 1440p monitor. It wasn't until I noticed that @ 1080p my 980 Ti was only using 40% GPU usage while my CPU is at 70% or higher.


tl;dr

290 and 1440p 144hz Free-Sync monitor was silky smooth
980 Ti and 1440p 144hz G-Sync monitor was jittery as hell
I get better performance by forcing 1440p on my 1080p monitor with my 980 Ti

Is my CPU affecting my frame times?
Will the jittering go away if I upgrade to a new CPU like a 6700k or whatever equivalent Kaby Lake cpu that is coming out soon?

Yes I made sure G-Sync was enabled.
No I cannot OC my CPU any farther.

Maybe if you upgrade to caby lake i7 overclockable cpu you might see performance increase due to being i7 so more threads and better ipc. even if framerate is the same frametime/frame latency might be a bit lower
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Originally Posted by looniam View Post

w/o ever using g-sync i am going to take some BIG FAT GUESSES:

did you re-install windows?
there may have been some issue from the previous AMD drivers conflicting with nvidia.

did you try different drivers?
i've seen plenty of complaining on the geforce forum (so yeah pass the salt please) of drivers "breaking" g-sync in games or on monitors.

I in fact did re-install Windows 8.1 before I installed the 980 Ti and I tried many different drivers.

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Originally Posted by DiceAir View Post

Maybe if you upgrade to caby lake i7 overclockable cpu you might see performance increase due to being i7 so more threads and better ipc. even if framerate is the same frametime/frame latency might be a bit lower

I noticed on Afterburner that when I happened to look up to the right hand corner I did notice my frame-times being up to 22ms.
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welp, i gave it a shot and got nothing left. thanks for not getting offended by pointing out the simple, but often overlooked, stuff.

crazy thing is the green team is suppose to have less dx11 driver overhead than team red. since it was fine with an AMD set up it doesn't seem a cpu problem but for kicks and being a little crazy; did you try going back to stock settings on the i5?

btw, someone with a g-sync should say something but - you sure that v-sync is set (on/off) correctly? but not sure what it is suppose to be, honestly.
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Horsepower isn't the issue here, since the R9 played well and the 980ti is stronger. Try running with all vertical synch (gsync/vsync) off. Make sure its turned off both in-game and in the nvidia control panel. FPS should be high, gpu should max out, and you will probably see image tearing when you move the mouse around. This won't fix the problem, but it should let you know if the issues are due to a vsync problem. Also, you don't have a frame rate target set in afterburner, do you?

What FPS are you actually getting?
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Horsepower isn't the issue here, since the R9 played well and the 980ti is stronger. Try running with all vertical synch (gsync/vsync) off. Make sure its turned off both in-game and in the nvidia control panel. FPS should be high, gpu should max out, and you will probably see image tearing when you move the mouse around. This won't fix the problem, but it should let you know if the issues are due to a vsync problem. Also, you don't have a frame rate target set in afterburner, do you?

What FPS are you actually getting?

I'll apply those settings and bench my FPS across a few games. Thanks.
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welp, i gave it a shot and got nothing left. thanks for not getting offended by pointing out the simple, but often overlooked, stuff.

crazy thing is the green team is suppose to have less dx11 driver overhead than team red. since it was fine with an AMD set up it doesn't seem a cpu problem but for kicks and being a little crazy; did you try going back to stock settings on the i5?

btw, someone with a g-sync should say something but - you sure that v-sync is set (on/off) correctly? but not sure what it is suppose to be, honestly.

Try putting your windows power profile to high performance when gaming. Also set your game exe to high priority via task manager when launching it. You might see a slight increase in performance
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Yup, settings can help.

Multi-display/mixed-GPU acceleration --> single display performance mode
Power management mode --> Prefer maximum performance
Threaded optimization --> On
Triple buffering --> Off

I don't have a gsync monitor, so I enable vsync. It hobbles the frame rate, so I OC the monitor to 67 FPS to compensate. This lets me play pretty close to 67fps in 4K.
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Okay so totally disabled all forms of V-Sync I think my fps increased a bit. I am actually kind of surprised cause usually if I turn V-Sync off I get all kinds of tearing but this time I didn't notice them.


Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg Battlefield 1 LOW
57688, 619829, 51, 182, 93.071

Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg Battlefield 1 ULTRA
88270, 1077188, 35, 138, 81.945

Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg Battlefield 4 ULTRA
2620, 21344, 87, 166, 122.751

Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg Battlefield 4 ULTRA
113589, 945547, 60, 193, 120.130

Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg Battlefield 4 ULTRA
11741, 100891, 83, 197, 116.373

Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg Battlefield 4 LOW
186423, 1378750, 84, 201, 135.212

Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg Battlefield 3 ULTRA no AA
84370, 580531, 96, 200, 145.332

Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg Battlefield 3 LOW
79390, 557031, 107, 200, 142.523

Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg Battlefield 3 Ultra 4x AA
82773, 652937, 89, 200, 126.770




So I guess in the end maybe it was V-Sync that was making things choppy and lower fps than I should. Granted Battlefield 1 still ran like ass in comparison. Any other settings I need to change in my Control Panel?
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