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Looks like someone peeved of the witcher fanboy thread. I feel sorry for these guys, they wont know the glory of this game, and the amazing infinite modding that will follow.
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Looks like someone peeved of the witcher fanboy thread. I feel sorry for these guys, they wont know the glory of this game, and the amazing infinite modding that will follow.

Most will actually. Gamers will generally talk a lot of smack about a game, but if said game is popular enough (as Fallout 4 is) they'll get it anyway, or rather get their parents to get it for them, since all their friends have it.
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Um... Oblivion has pretty bad graphics so does Skyrim... when you compare them to other games that were released at the same time.

"Umm..." No. Oblivion was capable of rendering some of the best graphics in 2006. It was lauded for it's visuals at the time, and that's why it was the go-to technical showcase and benchmark game until games like STALKER and Crysis came along (as I said in the other thread). Sure, Skyrim looked like garbage by 2011 standards, because it was barely an improvement on Oblivion. Compare Morrowind vs Oblivion, and them Oblivion vs Skyrim.

And just to make myself absolutely clear (before you start triumphantly posting screenshots of Oblivion's hideous character models), yes, Oblivion had extremely inconsistent visuals (a specialty of Gamebryo), had terrible character models, and worst-case-scenario it could look very ugly. Believe me, you don't need to convince me of that. But best-case it was very impressive by 2006 standards.
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If you think Fallout 4's graphics are crap then you must think The Witcher 3's are crap or close to crap, because realistically both are pretty close.

Wow, boredgunner, what are you smoking? I know you have a fairly dim view of The Witcher series in general, but TW3 an undeniably impressive game visually, and in a completely different class to this latest Gamebryo miscarriage.
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"Umm..." No. Oblivion was capable of rendering some of the best graphics in 2006. It was lauded for it's visuals at the time, and that's why it was the go-to technical showcase and benchmark game until games like STALKER and Crysis came along (as I said in the other thread). Sure, Skyrim looked like garbage by 2011 standards, because it was barely an improvement on Oblivion. Compare Morrowind vs Oblivion, and them Oblivion vs Skyrim.

And just to make myself absolutely clear (before you start triumphantly posting screenshots of Oblivion's hideous character models), yes, Oblivion had extremely inconsistent visuals (a specialty of Gamebryo), had terrible character models, and worst-case-scenario it could look very ugly. Believe me, you don't need to convince me of that. But best-case it was very impressive by 2006 standards.

As I said Bethesda isn't known for graphics, having 1 game with good graphics for the time (which realistically was under a year anyway) doesn't mean everyone should expect perfection from them when it comes to the visuals of there latest game.

I'd rather a massive games like Elderscrolls, Fallout etc with kinda meh graphics (which can be modded) and doesn't take up 60GB over a crappy bad port FPS game like BF3, COD etc that has "fantastic" graphics, is buggy as hell, takes up to much space and is just an all round bore for single and multiplayer.
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Wow, boredgunner, what are you smoking? I know you have a fairly dim view of The Witcher, but it's an undeniably impressive game visually, and in a completely different class to this latest Gamebryo miscarriage.

Witcher 3 is far from impressive visually. Everything looks like fuzzy boxes just because of how bad the aliasing is (example of this and much more done wrong which I talked about above). Erase that (like some of the touched up screenshots posted above) and it just looks decent, but there is far better looking out there. It has nice textures, average lighting by 2015 standards (it seems to be dynamic enough, but doesn't ever look very convincing), above average shadows and character models, lackluster view distance, water looks terrible, it's inconsistent with its use of 3D mapping on the environment (see the stone wall here, and also note the aliasing), object detail is mediocre (whereas in games like The Vanishing of Ethan Carter and Dragon Age: Inquisition, any object you look at up close is properly 3D mapped and very detailed).

I'll see how Fallout 4 actually looks tomorrow. Bethesda's screenshots may have been touched up, but user ones may not be ultra or are on consoles. Some of the ones I've seen are a level below TW3, others show better lighting and much better anti-aliasing which actually results in better perceived object/model detail at least at 1080p (may not be the case at higher resolutions as the aliasing comes down).

You are right about Oblivion though. HL2 Ep1 probably looked better, and Dark Messiah had some better interior lighting effects, and both trounced Oblivion's character models, but the overall graphics were certainly above average for the time.
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As I said Bethesda isn't known for graphics, having 1 game with good graphics for the time (which realistically was under a year anyway) doesn't mean everyone should expect perfection from them when it comes to the visuals of there latest game.

I'd rather a massive games like Elderscrolls, Fallout etc with kinda meh graphics (which can be modded) and doesn't take up 60GB over a crappy bad port FPS game like BF3, COD etc that has "fantastic" graphics, is buggy as hell, takes up to much space and is just an all round bore for single and multiplayer.

You're treading on very thin ice there my friend.

Besides, Bethesda no longer has a comfortable monopoly on massive open-world singleplayer games thanks to The Witcher 3. No-one is comparing Bethesda games to COD and BF (except maybe to say that Bethesda could learn a thing or two about multithreading from Frostbite).
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Besides, Bethesda no longer has a comfortable monopoly on massive open-world singleplayer games thanks to The Witcher 3.

Why are you acting like The Witcher 3 is the first massive open world single player title since Bethesda games? Ever heard of Grand Theft Auto? Witcher 3's sales won't be anywhere near Skyrim, Fallout 4, or a GTA game. Less than half I'd wager. They might actually get there one day, but it's looking less likely due to the gap between games (Cyberpunk is not any time soon realistically).
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You're treading on very thin ice there my friend.

Besides, Bethesda no longer has a comfortable monopoly on massive open-world singleplayer games thanks to The Witcher 3. No-one is comparing Bethesda games to COD and BF.

All games are buggy now a days but FPS games are some of the worst.

Um... Bethesda have been busy with Elder Scrolls Online for how many years now? offline open world games have been on the back burner.

If your talking about purely graphics then you can compare it to any game out but if you want to be picky then you don't have that many open world games to compare to, but if you want to go this route then you need to compare Fallout 4 to, GTA V, Skyrim, Witcher 3, Just Cause etc etc, just comparing Fallout 4 to a single game which has been geared towards having good graphics is a bit unfair.
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Why are you acting like The Witcher 3 is the first massive open world single player title since Bethesda games? Ever heard of Grand Theft Auto? Witcher 3's sales won't be anywhere near Skyrim, Fallout 4, or a GTA game. Less than half I'd wager. They might actually get there one day, but it's looking less likely due to the gap between games (Cyberpunk is not any time soon realistically).

Sorry, I was thinking of TES vs The Witcher when I wrote that (both being medieval fantasy type games). However, to me GTA feels less comparable/threatening to the Bethesda games, but sure, it exists.

Yes, Witcher 3's sales probably won't be anything close to Skyrim, which is a travesty because the former outclasses the latter in almost every way; Engine that is actually designed for open worlds with unlimited viewing distances, great visuals, less bugs and better post-release support, superior dialogue, superior voice acting, superior storylines, superior combat and gameplay in general, released in a state that was actually playable... But CDPR actually earned TW3's success, instead of flopping out a half baked turd for the community to fix and waiting for it's hordes of overzealous, unquestioning fanboys to lap it up.
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All games are buggy now a days but FPS games are some of the worst.

Bethesda is notorious for releasing extremely buggy, unfinished games, and from the reports we've seen thus far, FO4 is no different. Witcher 3 on launch was less buggy than Skyrim on launch by an order of magnitude.
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Um... Bethesda have been busy with Elder Scrolls Online for how many years now? offline open world games have been on the back burner.

"Um..." Bethesda didn't develop TESO. They've been busy with FO4 since Skyrim, although not nearly busy enough it would seem.
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The thin, one dimensional characterization is bothering me more than graphics ever will.

In b4 "its not about the plot"
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