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post #11 of 78
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Originally Posted by Rumrunner24 View Post

I wouldn't mind going higher, but I'd like to learn a little more first.


The offset is confusing me. - Means it will take it down or what ? I don't understand what number it subtracting from. MY offset is - .035

How is the number that .035 is subtracted from determined ?

Should I be worried about the vid being that high ?

Is Regular LLC going to cause any issues with the huge variation in voltage ?

You'll need to go back into bios and set everything to default then start a monitoring and stress testing program, see what your VID reaches (write it down) @ 100% load. You'll know what voltage is required to have a stable overclock and now you know exactly how much the processor consumes at full load when it isn't overclocked. Take the default load voltage away from overclock voltage and you'll be close to working out the offset required, you'll probably have to make some minor adjustments to get fully stable.

VID/VCORE voltages whilst at default clock speed and overclocked.



Edited by jamtin - 6/4/15 at 3:52am
post #12 of 78
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Originally Posted by Rumrunner24 View Post

I wouldn't mind going higher, but I'd like to learn a little more first.


The offset is confusing me. - Means it will take it down or what ? I don't understand what number it subtracting from. MY offset is - .035

How is the number that .035 is subtracted from determined ?

Should I be worried about the vid being that high ?

Is Regular LLC going to cause any issues with the huge variation in voltage ?

the number is subtracted from VID, wich is your CPU's standart rated voltage. if offset is set to 0 if will run at VID, wich is usually way too high.

the VID is what your CPU tells your motherboard it needs to run, but it doesn't really matter when you're setting Vcore manually. it might be an indicator of how much you can OC your chip.

LLC determins how you CPU adjust to full load, and corrects voltage drops.

running at regular should not be a problem, unless your idle Vcore is higher than at load. but like i said, you might be able to lower you offset more, and get lower idle voltage, and thus temperature.
post #13 of 78
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1.7 Vcore xD
post #14 of 78
For me to find what the offset would be to have 46x103 stable i'd take the 1.425 overclocked core voltage and subtract the 1.025 the default clock speed core voltage, leaving me .4. Now I can somewhat safely assume that if I change the processors core voltage to use an adaptive offset of + .4 it should boot into Windows. Then I'd begin testing and see if + .4 was really needed to have a stable overclock and begin to try and lower the voltage.
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1.7 Vcore xD

Oh my............
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Oh my............

That's what was required from the processor directly out of the box at default clock speed using an EVGA 430W.
post #17 of 78
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Originally Posted by M11C View Post

the number is subtracted from VID, wich is your CPU's standart rated voltage. if offset is set to 0 if will run at VID, wich is usually way too high.

the VID is what your CPU tells your motherboard it needs to run, but it doesn't really matter when you're setting Vcore manually. it might be an indicator of how much you can OC your chip.

LLC determins how you CPU adjust to full load, and corrects voltage drops.

running at regular should not be a problem, unless your idle Vcore is higher than at load. but like i said, you might be able to lower you offset more, and get lower idle voltage, and thus temperature.

Idle Vcore is higher than at load, which is why I was asking all these questions. I thought that was caused by llc and vdroop.

I dont know if I need to use - or + offset. When I set it to + it goes way higher than I would like.

I can only adjust in .05 increments and it seems like .05 is more than enough and .05 down isn't enough.

Should I just set it to auto and see what the max vcore is then find the offset form that ?
It seems like auto sucks and applies way too much voltage.

How do you determine if you use - or + offset ?

I apologize if Im making it more complicated than it is. I'll keep reading over your responses until I get it.
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That's what was required from the processor directly out of the box at default clock speed using an EVGA 430W.

What the? maybe it's a sensor error?
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post #19 of 78
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Ok, a - .40 seems to be what I need to get 4.2GHz but I can't get idle vcore to drop without setting the offset so low that it bsods when I run prime. I mean if I set it to -.040 its at 1.280 idle and 1.240 under load.

Is LLC keeping from bringing the initial load vcore down ? Does that make sense ? It's really low when I'm just sitting at the desktop and when I first start p95, it goe sto 1.288 then 1.240 after its reached full load.
post #20 of 78
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The VID is at 1.3811 during stress tests. If it safe because I'm running a safe vcore, why is it so high ? Isn't that the same as vcore ? I know you've kinda of explained it, but I want to make sure my cpu isn't getting 1.38 vcore under load
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