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you sure? is there any scaling test for memory only? as from my test memory frequency does not really matter (1-3% max) but maybe im hitting controller errors
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I'm now confused, due to thinking you have Elpida.

You have Hynix AFR? if so you want my table which is AFR with tightened timing + 390 MCT?
I have both Elpida & Hynix cards. I usually test BIOS mod on the Elpida card but now testing the Hynix card. The Hynix card even with DPM 0 to 7 set with referenced 290 VIDs, still having problem with black screen crash when lightly loaded. So hopefully with 290 VRAM_Info table, it will be fixed since the card don't have this problem with 290 ROM.

Right now I'm going to test this 390 modded ROM with 290 VRAM_info table. See whether it improved stability or not. BTW, do you know why 390 ROM give lower EVV VIDs for DPM 1 to 7 comparing to 290 ROM? Can we change how it is calculated?
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HISr9390x.zip 100k .zip file



Thak you very much mus1mus,you are the One!!! thumb.gif

Please report back. I have seen blackscreens on mine and another user reported the same.
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I'm now confused, due to thinking you have Elpida.

You have Hynix AFR? if so you want my table which is AFR with tightened timing + 390 MCT?
I have both Elpida & Hynix cards. I usually test BIOS mod on the Elpida card but now testing the Hynix card. The Hynix card even with DPM 0 to 7 set with referenced 290 VIDs, still having problem with black screen crash when lightly loaded. So hopefully with 290 VRAM_Info table, it will be fixed since the card don't have this problem with 290 ROM.

Right now I'm going to test this 390 modded ROM with 290 VRAM_info table. See whether it improved stability or not. BTW, do you know why 390 ROM give lower EVV VIDs for DPM 1 to 7 comparing to 290 ROM? Can we change how it is calculated?
I'm having black screens crash with my 390 with 290 VRAM_Info modded ROM (DPM0 to 6 follow the VIDs I got using stock ROM). Just now upped the VIDs. Since my Elpida card got higher voltages for DPM1 to 6, I use these voltages. Let see if I get black screen crash again.
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@subscribers

Post 1 updated for memory density edit on say 390/X VRAM_Info to make better compatibility on 290/X.

@kizwan

No idea why 390/X give lower VID for EVV redface.gif.

I get black screen if push memory too far but yet to find time to see if VDDCI improve it or if it is lack of VDDC. I wish I could adjust MVDDC. Perhaps it's just "silicon lottery" that I can't go higher, do you get better RAM freq with stock 290 ROM?

1100/1525 in my 24/7 use modded ROM is rock solid. Prior to testing 390 MC timings it seems my 24/7 use modded ROM is allowing higher RAM than stock did. My stock allowed only ~1620. Any higher I got instant blackscreen when applied via MSI AB, I think why 24/7 use modded ROM is allowing higher is as MEM Clock 2 & MEM Freq. DPM 1 & 2 is 1250MHz. So when at desktop and GPU freq does shoot up momentarily it only use 1250MHz thus lack of VDDC is not causing blackscreen. When card does go to 1620+ on modded ROM it's using higher GPU DPMs thus higher VDDC stabilize it thinking.gif.

Perhaps how EVV uses LeakageID (ASIC Quality) to set VID there is something in ROM which differs from 290/X thinking.gif.
What Stilt said about Grenada aka 390 (Click to show)
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There is no physical difference between project 215-08520xx ("Hawaii") and 215-08800xx ("Grenada") ASICs.

The only difference between the full variants (i.e. 44 CUs and 64 ROPs) is binning and fuse configuration.

215-0852000 - Hawaii XT (67B0h DID, MA-RID 0h, MI-RID 0h)
215-0852022 - Hawaii XT(L) (67B9h DID, MA-RID 0h, MI-RID 0h)
215-0880004 - Grenada XT (67B0h DID, MA-RID 8h, MI-RID 0h)

The XT(L) bin is the highest quality of Hawaii family ASICs.
The dies are binned for lowest possible leakage characteristics in order to reduce the power consumption and dissipated heat. It is only used in 295X2 cards.

"Grenada XT" has the highest leakage characteristics of Hawaii family.
Higher leakage makes it possible reach higher clocks without violating the design electrical characteristics of the die, in terms of voltage. The down sides in using high leakage ASICs are the higher temperatures through the board and higher power consumption (due temperatures and lower VRM efficiency).

Any performance difference between "Hawaii" and "Grenada" cards is caused by the display driver. AMD changed the fused configuration in a way the driver can tell the difference between "the old" Hawaii and "the new" Grenada cards. They both obviously share the DeviceID but "Grenada" cards have their revision number bumped to 8h (instead of 0h on Hawaii). The revision number is configured by the fuse configuration during manufacturing and cannot be altered by the bios on retail cards.

If you are testing differences between "Hawaii" and "Grenada" bioses, note that "Grenada" bioses have higher clocks thru the different performance states than "Hawaii" bioses. This means that if at some point the card reaches it´s power limit and starts to shuffle through the different performance states, the "Grenada" cards might appear to be faster than "Hawaii" simply because of the higher clocks. If you are testing the differences between the two bioses, make sure you have the power limit set to the maximum setting (+50%) on both of them.

ps. Internally "Grenada" has been called as "Hawaii Refresh".

If you know how much there actually is difference in previous "refreshes" by AMD, then it is futile to argue if "Grenada" is the same ASIC or not wink.gif
Quote from (link).

Will start a compare 290/X vs 390/X ROM.

Previously when I've done "deep" comparing process on other ROMs it can be slow process, for varying reasons. IIRC last time I checked command tables are the same between 290/X & 390/X (only compared via hex editor).

I've never flashed a 390/X ROM due to the custom PCB nature of my card. Only ROMs I've ever used besides stock Vapor-X STD/OC (+mods) is The Stilt's MLU ROMs. I may now put my VoltageObjectInfo in 390/X ROM to make it compatible with my cards VRM design.

Besides seeing how EVV is set per DPM vs stock 290/X ROM it may get me answer regarding if it's a hardware or ROM difference that allows some 390/X to stop fans on idle/low loads. My card has what Sapphire term Intelligent Fan Control (IFC), via a switch you can enable outer 2 fans to stop at idle/low loads. Perhaps my card is not really the ideal candidate for testing 390/X ROMs thinking.gif.

Was viewing updated Hynix Part number PDF.
Edited AFR Vs AJR slide (Click to show)

What do you guys make of that? 1.5V is shown on product page for AJR. So perhaps as MVDDC is 1.5V on 390/X (also 290X) it's helping that IC generally reach higher speeds?
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Stilts timings in my case, further boosted by 390 MC Timings.
Not published yet, behind the scenes testing smile.gif .

I have VRAM_Info for BFR with 390 MC timings already created (as did it for Fyzzz).

I will mod your stock ROM to have or attach what you use currently for modding. If you attach modded ROM you use you will only have to do RAM timings per strap how you like.

@subscribers

I plan to create VRAM_Info per IC then add to post 1 with guide on modding to your ROM for usage.
Ahaaa smile.gif
Can I have them as well ? tongue.gif

The bios I'm using now is: Mod11-usedone.zip 199k .zip file
I'm using stock 1500 strap timings for up to 1750 MHz. Running at 1700MHz atm.
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Do we have access to MDDC though?
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So far no via SW, hard mod yes.

Matrix / Lightning have extra controller chip (so I've read), MSI AB will show it in system info (don't know what it will say there as chip for those cards).



Now you see how IR3567B is listed for VDDCI, it must control some element of MVDDC thinking.gif , anyone one know enough about PCB to categorically say it's not going through IR3567B? (excluding The Stilt wink.gif as he's said before ref design not allow MVDDC).

*** edit ***

Just asked in 290X Lightning owners club to see if a member can give same screenie. If something handy in there, I''ll ask for i2cdump or AiDA64 dump, which may reveal something.
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Anyone think MVDDC be in VoltageObjectInfo?
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Looking at text on @buildzoid Fury volt mod :-
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The HBM and Vcore are controlled by the IR 3567B the AUX and 0.95V voltage are controlled by other controllers which I can't find because none of part numbers for the ICs that could be voltage controllers return anything.

Perhaps as VDDC / VDDCI done on hawaii by IR3567B other controller do MVDDC or it is fixed voltage? thinking.gif

I did look at hawaii volt mod but found no text to gain info frown.gif , perhaps @buildzoid can confirm how hard MVDDC mod on 290X done so know if MVDDC is via IR3567B.
Edited by gupsterg - 1/30/16 at 7:17am
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Samsung Evo 840 ThermalRight Archon IB-E X2 + 2x TY143 ThermalRight TY-143 2x front case intake Arctic Cooling F12 + 2x F9 as rear case exhaust 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Win 7 Pro x64 / Win 10 Pro x64 Asus MG279Q Cherry MX-Board 3.0 Cooler Master V850 
CaseMouse
SilverStone TJ06 Logitech G700S 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 4690K@4.9GHz 1.255V Asus Maximus VII Ranger Sapphire Fury X@1145/545 HyperX Savage 2x8GB 2400MHz C11 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung Evo 840 TR Archon SB-E X2 Win 7 Pro x64 / Win 10 x64 Asus MG279Q 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Cherry MX-Board 3.0 Cooler Master V850 SilverStone TJ06 Logitech G700S 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Q6600 G0 Asus P5K Premium Black Pearl Sapphire Toxic HD5850 Corsair Dominator 4GB 
Hard DriveCoolingOSPower
Crucial MX 100 256GB TR TRUE Rev.A Win 7 Pro x64 Cooler Master V650 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Ryzen 7 1700 Asus Crosshair VI Hero Sapphire Fury X@1145/545 G.Skill Trident Z 2x 8GB 3200MHz C14 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Samsung Evo 840 ThermalRight Archon IB-E X2 + 2x TY143 ThermalRight TY-143 2x front case intake Arctic Cooling F12 + 2x F9 as rear case exhaust 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Win 7 Pro x64 / Win 10 Pro x64 Asus MG279Q Cherry MX-Board 3.0 Cooler Master V850 
CaseMouse
SilverStone TJ06 Logitech G700S 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 4690K@4.9GHz 1.255V Asus Maximus VII Ranger Sapphire Fury X@1145/545 HyperX Savage 2x8GB 2400MHz C11 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung Evo 840 TR Archon SB-E X2 Win 7 Pro x64 / Win 10 x64 Asus MG279Q 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Cherry MX-Board 3.0 Cooler Master V850 SilverStone TJ06 Logitech G700S 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Q6600 G0 Asus P5K Premium Black Pearl Sapphire Toxic HD5850 Corsair Dominator 4GB 
Hard DriveCoolingOSPower
Crucial MX 100 256GB TR TRUE Rev.A Win 7 Pro x64 Cooler Master V650 
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