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I tried 03 and it seems like it is boosting performance too, but how much can we increase it?
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/7434675/fs/7432325/fs/7432392

EDIT: Tried 04 and the score was pretty much identical to 03

+ rep thumb.gif , thanks for share of data.

Looking at your result 03 is the limit, but I don't know redface.gif , I think there is something more so spending time doing some marking / testing.

I hope this next bit come out how it is in my head redface.gif .

I think the new vendor ID may need to be used with 02

OLD ICs

36 01 Hynix H5GQ2H24AFR (4GB)
46 01 Hynix H5GC2H24BFR (4GB)
56 02 Hynix H5GQ4H24MFR (8GB)
13 01 Elpida EDW2032BBBG (4GB)
31 01 Samsung K4G20325FD (4GB)

NEW ICs

66 02 Hynix H5GC4H24AJR (8GB)
03 02 Elpida EDW4032BABG (8GB)
61 02 Samsung K4G20325FS (4GB)

Only hiccup is MFR for my theory thinking.gif

Why?

I did a 3x run of 36 02 and it does not perform consistently like 66 02.

Left side 3x 66 02 vs 3x right side 36 02 Link:- http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/7430914/fs/7430964/fs/7430999/fs/7434277/fs/7434582/fs/7434634

Perhaps something in driver pick up/setup differently for say newer memory vendor ID with 02 vs older memory vendor ID with 02?

So gonna spend time testing smile.gif .
Edited by gupsterg - 2/3/16 at 1:42pm
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yes its possible that driver have different settings for 66 :-) i also seen this increase with going from 36 to 66

PS: you can change this value on the fly with rw everything :)which will make testing little easier
Edited by OneB1t - 2/3/16 at 1:44pm
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+ rep thumb.gif, thank you for data smile.gif .

I'm calling it a night on forum, as now must wrap my brain around this smile.gif .

If any of you guys have time please conduct testing and we meet back here soon smile.gif .
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@gupsterg Can you run Firestrike at 1150/1500?

My card scored lower with 290 ROM with 390MC (see the right-most result).
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/7379518/fs/7380017/fs/7380936/fs/7406566/fs/7409552/fs/7414059/fs/7426422

Did you use AJR RAM IC Vendor ID for right most result?

If not, when you have time would you mind doing 3 way compare?

All ROMS same timings, driver, etc.

390 ROM vs 290 ROM + 390MC with AJR ID vs 290 ROM + 390MC with correct ID
[390 ROM] vs [290 ROM + 390MC with AJR ID] vs [290 ROM + 390MC with correct ID]

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/7432553/fs/7434854/fs/7435150

I did a couple of run for AJR & AFR respectively, I found that with AJR graphics score will always within 13.4k to 13.5k while with AFR stubbornly remain at 13.3k. Only a couple of run, not many though.
Edited by kizwan - 2/3/16 at 1:58pm
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yes i have same feeling biggrin.gif for some reason driver works better if you tell him that you have newer memory
maybe AMD crippling performance on older cards? biggrin.gif
#nvidiastyle
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I could not reproduce the anomaly I witnessed when using 36 02 aka RAM IC Vendor = 36h , RefreshRateFactor = 02h.

Screenie of results from 3dMark FS below in spoiler (I'd right click open in new tab to see at best res.). Black line denotes first use of ROM as configured above, for that ROM total of 11 results and only 2 anomalies, there was no reboot between 1st 2nd & 3rd results above black line. I'm putting into down to "just one of those things" whatever it maybe wink.gif .
Consistent result check 36 02 (Click to show)

Next stability testing was round of games, Crysis 3 / SWBF / etc , no problems to report didn't FRAP (may soon). Then F@H 5hrs run, no blackscreen or errors in log, so all good.
F@H stability test 36 02 (Click to show)
Info regarding ROMS for 3dMark testing (Click to show)
All ROMS are based on "out of the box" ROM for Vapor-X 290X 4GB Standard Edition.

Compile date: 04/16/14 Version: 015.045.000.006.000000

Next mods list:-

- Stock GPU/RAM 1030/1325 boosted to 1100/1525.
- GPU Freq. DPMs 2 to 7 boosted per % as in OP heading Making OC bios like factory pre OC'd card/ROM.
- 3 States VDDCI (150MHz@0.850mV 1250MHz@0.925mV 1525MHz@1.000mV).
- GPU Clock 2 matched to DPM 2 GPU Freq.
- Mem Freq. DPM 1 & 2 @ 1250MHz.
- All DPMs manually voltage fixed and tested.
- Efficiency @ idle table matched to DPM0.
- Timings improved for straps 1250MHz & 1375MHz to Stilt's AFR.
- Timings improved for straps 1500MHz & 1625MHz to Stock 1250MHz AFR.
- Standard fan mode Profile improved for clocks/voltage being run.

Relevant information to VRAM_Info testing for test ROMS:-

UEFIV6VVV = As above with Vendor ID:36h RefreshRateFactor: 01h

UEFIV6VV+ = As above with Vendor ID:36h RefreshRateFactor: 02h

V6V32MEM = As UEFIV6VVV but with AJR VRAM_Info for 390/X memory controller timings. Modified to correct RAM density 53h to 43h, correct RAM size 80h to 40h, RAM IC name text changed, AFR timings but as above listed, Vendor ID:66h RefreshRateFactor: 02h.

V6V33MEM = As V6V32MEM but with Vendor ID:36h RefreshRateFactor: 01h.

V6V34MEM = As V6V32MEM but with Vendor ID:36h RefreshRateFactor: 02h.

Next out of 3 runs the highest scoring of each compared (per ROM runs where so close didn't see point in averaging).

Link:- 3dMark FS Results



All testing with drivers default settings, no adjustment to OS services,etc (ie OS is as what I use daily).

So when using AJR VRAM_Info using 36 02 there is no loss in performance vs 66 02 IMO. This result confirms IMO that RAM IC Vendor ID change has no effect on performance and RefreshRateFactor does.

V6V33MEM AJR VRAM_Info with 36 01 in the ROM is slowest, but very close to UEFIV6VVV which uses AFR VRAM_Info (36 01). So IMO lower RefreshRateFactor in AJR VRAM_Info kills the benefit of mod.

UEFIV6VV+ has AFR VRAM_Info but 02 RefreshRateFactor and definite boost in performance, comes in 3rd fastest overall. So IMO we can conclude that there is something more in AJR VRAM_info besides RefreshRateFactor which makes it the best for performance. The caveat being 02 RefreshRateFactor must be used.

Using now V6V33MEM as my 24/7 use ROM to test long term use of 36 02.
Marking of RAM IC section VRAM_Info AtomDis labels (Click to show)

@kizwan

+rep thumb.gif , many thanks for share of data. Your 390 ROM is great smile.gif , do you adjust RAM IC Vendor ID and RefreshRateFactor in that or is it as stock 390 VRAM_Info would have? any chance of attaching the stock ROM you modify for your use in that result? cheers.gif

@oneb1t

+rep thumb.gif on info regarding RW Everything, I didn't use it this time but will do in the future if needed smile.gif .
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@kizwan

+rep thumb.gif , many thanks for share of data. Your 390 ROM is great smile.gif , do you adjust RAM IC Vendor ID and RefreshRateFactor in that or is it as stock 390 VRAM_Info would have? any chance of attaching the stock ROM you modify for your use in that result? cheers.gif
The 390 was as is which is 66 02 (AJR).

Link below contain both stock & the modded ROM I used in the test.
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B_32SYawOggYNGhVWFlzR0MyNTA&usp=sharing
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Wow tons of stuff I gotta catch up on. I still have my 390x on the tighter timings with FF F1 I think... But the big thing is my new CPU. I'll put on my max gpu overclock in a bit and run a nice 3d mark run. 5775c @ 4.3ghz
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I only checked VRAM_Info of the XFX 390 DD ROM you use as base, it has:-

EMRS3Value = 0x6100 (24832)

AJR VRAM_Info I use is:-

EMRS3Value = 0x6123 (24867)

Everything else is same.

Next the 1150/1500 results you had asked about (only did 1 run each).



Link:- 3dMark results.

In link 5th place result is V6V34MEM and 4th place was same ROM but EMRS3Value 0061.

I don't think EMRS3Value is boosting your 390 ROM to lead by ~120 points vs 290 ROM tests you did.

I needed ~1.325v VID to have 1150 / 1500 stable, comparing it to 1100 ~1.30v VID not to bad IMO (4.5% clock gain for + 2% VID), did not check VDDC.
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