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Originally Posted by kizwan View Post

Did you try Unofficial overclocking without powerplay?
unofficial overclocking without powerplay?
Yes in MSI Afterburner. Do you have same problem too?
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1188 is your vid or vcore? Vid you can find via AIDA64 but vcore will be substantially lower due to droop.

1160 vid is extremely low. Mine is 1228 and that's at a high asic level. Sounds like your vid is 1275. Some cards do have a builtin hidden offset though.

If you change your vid down to 1160 that's like -115 offset. Vcore will be tiny.

To change vid you must change it in all 6 tables. That's a topic for the bios editing thread though.

Or maybe I misunderstand your question.

No I think you've got my question right. Vid for DPM7 is 1275 in both AIDA and EVV VID checker, and VDDC(Vcore) runs 1227 max when at 1600 on memory, lower when not overclocked. However, I do think I have an offset in the BIOS. My card is an MSI 390x. Looking in a hex editor at 0xAC40 I saw a value of 51h. I only came across the Stilt mentioning that address once in regard to someone else's question, and they had a 65h or so in there that was a 30-something mV offset, so I'm not quite sure how the offset works.

Not overclocked:
Code:
------[ GPU PStates List ]------

DPM0: GPUClock =  300 MHz, VID = 0.90000 V
DPM1: GPUClock =  533 MHz, VID = 0.96800 V
DPM2: GPUClock =  788 MHz, VID = 1.01200 V
DPM3: GPUClock =  909 MHz, VID = 1.11200 V
DPM4: GPUClock =  960 MHz, VID = 1.16200 V
DPM5: GPUClock = 1005 MHz, VID = 1.21200 V
DPM6: GPUClock = 1040 MHz, VID = 1.25000 V
DPM7: GPUClock = 1080 MHz, VID = 1.27500 V

Here is what I think I'm trying to get to, but thinking about that offset in the BIOS I'd either need to edit it out or raise my 1160mV up to 1190-1200mV. Basically just trying to get the card to run cooler (in 3d, but especially under media playback situations) since my fans start to get noisy due to my GPU fans being right up against the vent holes of my BitFenix Prodigy.

That offset not necessarily apply to your rom. What GPU-Z report for the VDDCI voltage? If you want to lower your voltage, that is exactly what you should do but I think you will need to follow "SVI 2 Compliant Voltages". So the closest voltage is either 1.11250 or 1.11875. Also change voltage for other DPM states too. After you set DPM7 to 1160, what do you see the value for DPM7 in the GPU PStates List?

Warning: Some voltages are shown in image below which are way to high, so
please ref stock values as to what you should use.



For example:-
Code:
------[ GPU PStates List ]------

DPM0: GPUClock =  300 MHz, VID = 0.75000 V
DPM1: GPUClock =  533 MHz, VID = 0.81200 V
DPM2: GPUClock =  788 MHz, VID = 0.86200 V
DPM3: GPUClock =  909 MHz, VID = 0.96200 V
DPM4: GPUClock =  960 MHz, VID = 1.01200 V
DPM5: GPUClock = 1005 MHz, VID = 1.06200 V
DPM6: GPUClock = 1040 MHz, VID = 1.10000 V
DPM7: GPUClock = 1080 MHz, VID = 1.12500 V

Edited by kizwan - 1/20/16 at 9:23am
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By changing vid from 1275 to 1160 you have massively reduced your voltage.
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Man, I really, really want to get into editing and flashing my card's BIOS, but the fact that the MSI 390x only has 1 BIOS freaks me out too bad to even try it. frown.gif

Anyways... I think I'm onto something here. I think (And really, it's just that for now) that when I increase the AUX voltage on my card and also increase the memory speed (or maybe just the memory speed, I dunno) it causes addition droop to my core voltage and that's why it crashes. At some point I had it run Valley with 1175MHz core, 1700MHz memory or something (Important thing is that it was high) and +100mV on the core and +75mV AUX and I Alt+Tabbed to desktop and I saw that my GPU core voltage was in the 1.24-1.26V range, whereas with +100mV offset I normally get close to 1.3V under load. I will test more, but I would like to hear what you guys have to say abou this.

@kizwan

What does unofficial overclocking without PowerPlay do exactly? The explanation in AB is kind of vague. Is there any chance it will help?
post #5584 of 11903
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Well I dropped my memory overclock down to 1650 and I'm still experiencing the same random black screens.

you are using 1650 which is still in the 1750 timing strap. use 1625 instead.
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That offset not necessarily apply to your rom. What GPU-Z report for the VDDCI voltage? If you want to lower your voltage, that is exactly what you should do but I think you will need to follow "SVI 2 Compliant Voltages". So the closest voltage is either 1.11250 or 1.11875. Also change voltage for other DPM states too. After you set DPM7 to 1160, what do you see the value for DPM7 in the GPU PStates List?

Warning: Some voltages are shown in image below which are way to high, so
please ref stock values as to what you should use.

SVI2 chart was here

For example:-
Code:
------[ GPU PStates List ]------

DPM0: GPUClock =  300 MHz, VID = 0.75000 V
DPM1: GPUClock =  533 MHz, VID = 0.81200 V
DPM2: GPUClock =  788 MHz, VID = 0.86200 V
DPM3: GPUClock =  909 MHz, VID = 0.96200 V
DPM4: GPUClock =  960 MHz, VID = 1.01200 V
DPM5: GPUClock = 1005 MHz, VID = 1.06200 V
DPM6: GPUClock = 1040 MHz, VID = 1.10000 V
DPM7: GPUClock = 1080 MHz, VID = 1.12500 V

I haven't applied a modded BIOS yet so nothing much to say about DPM7 after yet. Since MSI only has a single BIOS I want to make sure I do it right, or have someone else help out. I'm thinking I'll go with the voltage list you provided, but I don't think I'll step down as low on the lower DPM slots unless I've seen someone else running that low.

So you can see here that VDDC is pretty high to start (twitch stream and dota running in the background), and then the Heaven benchmark starts running to put it into full 3d mode bringing it to 1.156-1.172. VDDCI stays constant the whole time.



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Originally Posted by jdorje View Post

By changing vid from 1275 to 1160 you have massively reduced your voltage.

Yeah, but I'm not looking to overclock here.
post #5586 of 11903
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Man, I really, really want to get into editing and flashing my card's BIOS, but the fact that the MSI 390x only has 1 BIOS freaks me out too bad to even try it. frown.gif

Anyways... I think I'm onto something here. I think (And really, it's just that for now) that when I increase the AUX voltage on my card and also increase the memory speed (or maybe just the memory speed, I dunno) it causes addition droop to my core voltage and that's why it crashes. At some point I had it run Valley with 1175MHz core, 1700MHz memory or something (Important thing is that it was high) and +100mV on the core and +75mV AUX and I Alt+Tabbed to desktop and I saw that my GPU core voltage was in the 1.24-1.26V range, whereas with +100mV offset I normally get close to 1.3V under load. I will test more, but I would like to hear what you guys have to say abou this.

@kizwan

What does unofficial overclocking without PowerPlay do exactly? The explanation in AB is kind of vague. Is there any chance it will help?
Without PowerPlay allow your card to run at max clocks all the time when overclock. This may improve stability when overclock.
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Originally Posted by kizwan View Post

That offset not necessarily apply to your rom. What GPU-Z report for the VDDCI voltage? If you want to lower your voltage, that is exactly what you should do but I think you will need to follow "SVI 2 Compliant Voltages". So the closest voltage is either 1.11250 or 1.11875. Also change voltage for other DPM states too. After you set DPM7 to 1160, what do you see the value for DPM7 in the GPU PStates List?

Warning: Some voltages are shown in image below which are way to high, so
please ref stock values as to what you should use.

SVI2 chart was here

For example:-
Code:
------[ GPU PStates List ]------

DPM0: GPUClock =  300 MHz, VID = 0.75000 V
DPM1: GPUClock =  533 MHz, VID = 0.81200 V
DPM2: GPUClock =  788 MHz, VID = 0.86200 V
DPM3: GPUClock =  909 MHz, VID = 0.96200 V
DPM4: GPUClock =  960 MHz, VID = 1.01200 V
DPM5: GPUClock = 1005 MHz, VID = 1.06200 V
DPM6: GPUClock = 1040 MHz, VID = 1.10000 V
DPM7: GPUClock = 1080 MHz, VID = 1.12500 V

I haven't applied a modded BIOS yet so nothing much to say about DPM7 after yet. Since MSI only has a single BIOS I want to make sure I do it right, or have someone else help out. I'm thinking I'll go with the voltage list you provided, but I don't think I'll step down as low on the lower DPM slots unless I've seen someone else running that low.

So you can see here that VDDC is pretty high to start (twitch stream and dota running in the background), and then the Heaven benchmark starts running to put it into full 3d mode bringing it to 1.156-1.172. VDDCI stays constant the whole time.

I keep thinking 1116 even though you wrote in the editor 1160. tongue.gif You can use it as an example of course.

This much better I think:-
Code:
------[ GPU PStates List ]------

DPM0: GPUClock =  300 MHz, VID = 0.80000 V
DPM1: GPUClock =  533 MHz, VID = 0.85600 V
DPM2: GPUClock =  788 MHz, VID = 0.90600 V
DPM3: GPUClock =  909 MHz, VID = 1.00000 V
DPM4: GPUClock =  960 MHz, VID = 1.05000 V
DPM5: GPUClock = 1005 MHz, VID = 1.10000 V
DPM6: GPUClock = 1040 MHz, VID = 1.13700 V
DPM7: GPUClock = 1080 MHz, VID = 1.16200 V

The best course of action is for you to try these voltage using overclocking software like MSI AB. Try set negative offset until you can get close to ~1.162V & test this in games. When you know it is stable then you can proceed with BIOS mod.

BTW, your VDDCI in GPU-Z is 1.047V & the HawaiiBiosEditor show 1.050V for VDDCI (AUX) which show your BIOS doesn't set offset voltage.
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The best course of action is for you to try these voltage using overclocking software like MSI AB. Try set negative offset until you can get close to ~1.162V & test this in games. When you know it is stable then you can proceed with BIOS mod.

BTW, your VDDCI in GPU-Z is 1.047V & the HawaiiBiosEditor show 1.050V for VDDCI (AUX) which show your BIOS doesn't set offset voltage.

Sorry, I had upped my aux voltage to 1050 in my modded BIOS screenshots, the default was 1000mV. So my thing with Afterburner is that the offset voltage seems to only apply to the full 3D state. I had it set to -31mV core and +50mV aux (I had some very infrequent glitches that I found went away with a bump to aux). If I could figure out a way to get AB to apply the offset voltage the whole way through I'd completely go that route instead of the BIOS mod since I use AB for a custom fan curve as well.
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you are using 1650 which is still in the 1750 timing strap. use 1625 instead.


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Did you try set fixed voltage in AB or Trixx? Did you try Unofficial overclocking without powerplay?

I'll try both of these things and report back.
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Hey guys,

was playing Squad last night on my sig rig at ~high @ 2k res and my r9 390 (gigabyte G1) was hitting 90'c on forced 80% fan speed.

They right to run this hot or should I pull my heatsink off and put some aftermarket TIM on ?

ty.
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Hey guys,

was playing Squad last night on my sig rig at ~high @ 2k res and my r9 390 (gigabyte G1) was hitting 90'c on forced 80% fan speed.

They right to run this hot or should I pull my heatsink off and put some aftermarket TIM on ?

ty.
That's too high I also game at 2k on high settings with an overclock and I hit 70c max has it always been like this or did it recently start? I would probably go ahead and change the TIM but that's up to you I'm not too sure of the warranty but you might void it taking the heatsink off but don't quote me on that I might be wrong maybe someone else can chime in
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