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RX 480 is going to be smack dead in the middle of 390X and Fury pro performance. The thing to look out for though, is that it's clocked at 1266 out of the box. If the 14nm Finfet clocks were (say we get maybe 1500mhz capability) then the card should really raise some when overclocked and easily outperform a Fury. Mind you this is a $200 card in 4GB form. That's game changing!!! That's putting high end capable hardware in the hands of the average GPU shopper...... This is what AMD does best and they stand to gain a lot of market share with this approach, though I do think the $380 (yeah right, expect $450 to be the norm) GTX 1070 will also hold a large share in the higher end market based on it's 980ti+ level of performance for $200 less than last year.
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Anybody tried the 16.6.1 driver? I installed it yesterday and it seems to be more of the same after 16.5.1. Mantle seems to be done for (At least BF4 doesn't work) and I think it still has some black screen and TDR issues. God damn it AMD, get your crap together.
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Anybody tried the 16.6.1 driver? I installed it yesterday and it seems to be more of the same after 16.5.1. Mantle seems to be done for (At least BF4 doesn't work) and I think it still has some black screen and TDR issues. God damn it AMD, get your crap together.

Im on it now and so far couple hours of no flickering so hopefully it goes well.
    
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RX 480 is going to be smack dead in the middle of 390X and Fury pro performance. The thing to look out for though, is that it's clocked at 1266 out of the box. If the 14nm Finfet clocks were (say we get maybe 1500mhz capability) then the card should really raise some when overclocked and easily outperform a Fury. Mind you this is a $200 card in 4GB form. That's game changing!!! That's putting high end capable hardware in the hands of the average GPU shopper...... This is what AMD does best and they stand to gain a lot of market share with this approach, though I do think the $380 (yeah right, expect $450 to be the norm) GTX 1070 will also hold a large share in the higher end market based on it's 980ti+ level of performance for $200 less than last year.

hmmm. 980TI level due to driver gimping done by nVidia.

1080 i.e. is just a hair over the 980ti btw. When people get a hold of the 1070, that's when you can see where it should stand.

Makes you feel good, AMD doesn't gump old cards with new drivers biggrin.gif
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hmmm. 980TI level due to driver gimping done by nVidia.

1080 i.e. is just a hair over the 980ti btw. When people get a hold of the 1070, that's when you can see where it should stand.

Makes you feel good, AMD doesn't gump old cards with new drivers biggrin.gif

Well, all the 1070 reviews show it being in a dead heat with 980ti, even when both are overclocked, but it could definitely be driver related.

What I will say, is that on 390 initial release, AMD made driver specfic to the card which made them appear to be around 10% faster, even with the same clock speeds, then AMD released a driver shortly after for all cards that revealed the performance boost in the 3 series was totally driver based.

Here is an overclocked 1070 vs other cards overclocked:
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/nvidia_geforcegtx_1070_overclocking/4.htm
Edited by Agent Smith1984 - 6/7/16 at 8:44am
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All 390 cards are on sale here. I could get a xfx r9 390 for only 269€ now. I have an extra kryographics waterblock i could use and i could use my current 290 as secondary card. But i'm wondering if i should just wait for new cards to launch?
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Well, all the 1070 reviews show it being in a dead heat with 980ti, even when both are overclocked, but it could definitely be driver related.

What I will say, is that on 390 initial release, AMD made driver specfic to the card which made them appear to be around 10% faster, even with the same clock speeds, then AMD released a driver shortly after for all cards that revealed the performance boost in the 3 series was totally driver based.

Here is an overclocked 1070 vs other cards overclocked:
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/nvidia_geforcegtx_1070_overclocking/4.htm

This is not the 1070, but here's your clue. Real end user results. Best 5930K/1080 vs 5930K/980TI

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/8613682/fs/5757415

That is why, I don't expect the 1070 using it's best driver to topple a 980TI with it's driver. thumb.gif

Also note of the AOTS results. We knew the fact that even the 390X slightly beats the 980TI in AOTS. Something you notice? These are paid reviews. biggrin.gif

I'm waiting for end-user results to believe. That's just me.

While on AMD side (thread related) when the 300 series parts were released, the driver gave them the edge over 200 series cards. Yes. But we, 290/X users also gained some. So we're not gimped. thumb.gif
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This is not the 1070, but here's your clue. Real end user results. Best 5930K/1080 vs 5930K/980TI

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/8613682/fs/5757415

That is why, I don't expect the 1070 using it's best driver to topple a 980TI with it's driver. thumb.gif

Also note of the AOTS results. We knew the fact that even the 390X slightly beats the 980TI in AOTS. Something you notice? These are paid reviews. biggrin.gif

I'm waiting for end-user results to believe. That's just me.

While on AMD side (thread related) when the 300 series parts were released, the driver gave them the edge over 200 series cards. Yes. But we, 290/X users also gained some. So we're not gimped. thumb.gif

Yeah, I definitely want to see some user results, but if you go into the 1080 thread plenty of users are posting up 24k+ graphics scores. I scrolled through about 3 pages worth yesterday, lol

The card is certainly impressive, but I think the people who just dumped their 980ti's off for $350-400 are out of their minds. The maxwell architecture is actually faster clock for clock than Pascal, but it just so happens to be able to run at a crazy high clock speed to make up for it. Kind of the same tactic AMD took with going from Phenom to FX series.

The worst part about the 1080 is how badly NVIDIA has gimped it with power limtiations and hard limited voltages, etc.... even the LN2 guys are hating those things right now. Best clock so far has been near 2.5GHz I think, which is a really high clock speed for a GPU, but from a percentage standpoint it's nowhere near the headroom that the maxwells had.

If NVIDIA truly wanted these new cards to dominate they should have used a tad more memory bandwidth. But I guess that's what we will see with the 1080ti.....

I am very interested in seeing how a ~$460 RX480 8GB crossfire setup does in people's hands because I get the feeling that card is going to give us some good overclockability.
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Yeah, I definitely want to see some user results, but if you go into the 1080 thread plenty of users are posting up 24k+ graphics scores. I scrolled through about 3 pages worth yesterday, lol

The card is certainly impressive, but I think the people who just dumped their 980ti's off for $350-400 are out of their minds. The maxwell architecture is actually faster clock for clock than Pascal, but it just so happens to be able to run at a crazy high clock speed to make up for it. Kind of the same tactic AMD took with going from Phenom to FX series.

The worst part about the 1080 is how badly NVIDIA has gimped it with power limtiations and hard limited voltages, etc.... even the LN2 guys are hating those things right now. Best clock so far has been near 2.5GHz I think, which is a really high clock speed for a GPU, but from a percentage standpoint it's nowhere near the headroom that the maxwells had.

If NVIDIA truly wanted these new cards to dominate they should have used a tad more memory bandwidth. But I guess that's what we will see with the 1080ti.....

I am very interested in seeing how a ~$460 RX480 8GB crossfire setup does in people's hands because I get the feeling that card is going to give us some good overclockability.

And this is why nvidia has such god awful business practices. Imagine if Microsoft stopped supporting their software after a couple years. Or mobo drivers being the same. Hell they still have game updates for Euro Truck Simulator 2 which is god knows how long. An AMD card from 4years ago still benefits from todays drivers.

There ceo is so god damn greedy its why if the only gpu is ever nvidia ill go back to consoles full time. Unless they have nvidia gpus then ill stop gaming and go back to biking lol.
    
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Thought you all may find this little comparison interesting:

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/3dm11/11263084/3dm11/11085257/3dm11/11170600

Card on the left is the 480x thumb.gif
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