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For those of you who still play GTA V with this card OC'ed, can you maintain 60+fps at all times at 1440p with 2x MSAA + Grass on High + Advanced options turned off + everything else maxed out?!

I thought Grass on High would be easy on this GPU, but I'm running at 1480 MHz / 8000 MHz and still dipping to low 50s in certain rural areas or while walking on grass in Los Santos. Just wanted to know whether this is my system's fault or not. In my opinion the graphical quality of the game shouldn't warrant such a performance hit with Grass only at High and Extended Distance Scaling at 0%. CPU is a 4770K at 3.5 GHz.


That is normal, you don't have to worry. Grass is dam heavy for GPU and at everything on max with 1440p you would need SLI to get 60-80 FPS. Same is with Witcher 3. Most of the time you can maintain 60 FPS with Hairworks on and x4 but in certain areas you can drop to even low 40s. Those are heavy GPU games and Witcher 3 also is not yet perfectly optimized.

1440p is a golden resolution for 980Ti but that doesn't mean that you can get constant 60 with HIGH DEMANDING settings on. That is where G-Sync monitor comes in handy.

If you tone down Grass you can get other options on. Some games just have those silly settings- like Witcher Hairworks or GTA V Grass that eats you GPU alive and costs you 10 to even 20 FPS in game for some stupid effects smile.gif Those are for SLI users so they can feel that they can turn on something other people cannot. Also Batman: AK has this advanced phycis setting and then every smoke effect on screen eats you VRAM like crazy. Once per time developers put something like that.

But at least hariworks in Witcher 3 looks good in dialogues and cutscenes. I have never ever took a closer look to grass (!) or even like notice it (why would I look on grass...) in GTA V so sacrificing FPS for it is just silly for me smile.gif
Edited by Benny89 - 9/20/15 at 10:54pm
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Nice, just to be sure - you mean you do +177 on gpu core and are able to do Valley runs without problem?

I seem to get throttling when it hits 65C - about 10-15MHz worth

With Power Limit 100% my highest stable core setting is +125MHz to give 1277MHz. My max boost is 177MHz giving a max core of 1454MHz and is stable with Heaven, Valley, Skyrim & Witcher 2.
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/8605415

My understanding is the max boost delta varies card-to-card and is related to ASIC %, so my point was it would be interesting to see evidence that owners with higher ASIC % get a higher max boost delta. So for instance with your ASIC 76.7% core what is the max boost from the default core of 1152MHz? My ASIC 64.1% core max boost is 177MHz and I would expect yours to be higher.

Interested in your comment about throttling as I have noticed 1454Mhz occasionally drops to 1441Mhz and stays there even though I never hit 80C.
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Still on the edge of deciding whether or not I should purchase a water block for my G1. It's 73.1% ASIC, and I've been using +145 (bringing me to ~1500 MHz) on core with stock voltage (1.1990) and stock fan profile. The fan noise isn't too bothersome, but if I had a water block I could start playing with the voltage and see the limits of my card. But I suspect I'll probably just top out at a around ~1530 if I get a waterblock, and then I won't have to deal with as much fan noise. I don't mind the cost, but the act of actually putting my GPU in my water loop scares me because I've never opened a water loop before. It's almost equally as tempting as just saving the money to upgrade for the next NVIDIA card down the line...
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So do these G1's ever thermal throttle in SLI?
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Originally Posted by Strider49 View Post

For those of you who still play GTA V with this card OC'ed, can you maintain 60+fps at all times at 1440p with 2x MSAA + Grass on High + Advanced options turned off + everything else maxed out?!

I thought Grass on High would be easy on this GPU, but I'm running at 1480 MHz / 8000 MHz and still dipping to low 50s in certain rural areas or while walking on grass in Los Santos. Just wanted to know whether this is my system's fault or not. In my opinion the graphical quality of the game shouldn't warrant such a performance hit with Grass only at High and Extended Distance Scaling at 0%. CPU is a 4770K at 3.5 GHz.

You should be able to maintain around 60 FPS with that kind of setup if grass is only on High. I can maintain at least 55 FPS with a Fury at stock at 1440p in grassy sections. Grass is on High, no Advanced options, and I think I have a few other settings turned down like Shadows on Soft and Reflection MSAA off. I also am using FXAA over MSAA overall. In GTA V, MSAA is too intensive for a minor aesthetic improvement. I'll ruffle some feathers here, but I've extensively tested FXAA vs MSAAx2, and I prefer FXAA in GTA V. It blurs the image, yes, but in GTA V, I prefer that as the game is so fast paced and I always use the furthest camera option there is. MSAA/TXAA/SSAA/MFAA/etc looks better in first person games, though, and slower paced title like Tomb Raider and Hitman.

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K, so it's like AngryGoldfish pointed out too then. I've seen a lot of people claim that ASIC has no bearing on anything. Then it would make sense that a 980 Ti with low ASIC likely won't be able to hit the same clocks that a high ASIC would before hitting a wall due to hitting the voltage ceiling or generating too much heat (especially on air).
Nice, you said your card was 76% right? On air? Modded BIOS? Is that like +190 core / +600 memory? How much additional mV?

ASIC does have a bearing. What these people are maybe pointing out is that ASIC quality is not the only factor. It is one in a chain.

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Although this may be true and probably is, don't forget there is a lottery involved when assembling the PCB as well and there are many other components on the graphics card board all with their own ASIC scores. A high core ASIC % can be hindered by a poor performing component anywhere else on the graphics card.

It would be interesting to put a table together of ASIC % and maximum boost from default clock (at default voltage). So to start mine is:

ASIC 64.1% - Max voltage 1.1990v - Max boost +177

This.

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ok so i bought a this card, and started getting coil whine , not from the card but the PSU, weird how the card causes PSU to coild whine, only when gaming

i had a coolermaster silent pro 850w 4 years old, its quite loud, so then i buy the Corsair HXi Series HX1000i, overkill yes rolleyes.gif , this also coil whined but not as loud , so bearable when fans start spinning up when gaming and with sound ,

so i decided to try another power supply this time
Hi, i have it at 1500mhz boost / memory 7800mhz , playing on 1080p 60hz screen, all settings maxed - 2x aa , grass on very high , advanced on , i get dips in rural areas, not always but does happen, i myself was thinking of going to a 1440p 144hz monitor , or just get a 1080p 144hz

From my understanding of it, coil whine can be caused by the direct correlation between two or more components that oscillate at specific frequencies. It is similar to the silicon lottery. Sometimes it goes away, sometimes it doesn't.

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That is normal, you don't have to worry. Grass is dam heavy for GPU and at everything on max with 1440p you would need SLI to get 60-80 FPS. Same is with Witcher 3. Most of the time you can maintain 60 FPS with Hairworks on and x4 but in certain areas you can drop to even low 40s. Those are heavy GPU games and Witcher 3 also is not yet perfectly optimized.

1440p is a golden resolution for 980Ti but that doesn't mean that you can get constant 60 with HIGH DEMANDING settings on. That is where G-Sync monitor comes in handy.

If you tone down Grass you can get other options on. Some games just have those silly settings- like Witcher Hairworks or GTA V Grass that eats you GPU alive and costs you 10 to even 20 FPS in game for some stupid effects smile.gif Those are for SLI users so they can feel that they can turn on something other people cannot. Also Batman: AK has this advanced phycis setting and then every smoke effect on screen eats you VRAM like crazy. Once per time developers put something like that.

But at least hariworks in Witcher 3 looks good in dialogues and cutscenes. I have never ever took a closer look to grass (!) or even like notice it (why would I look on grass...) in GTA V so sacrificing FPS for it is just silly for me smile.gif

While this may be true, Grass on Ultra in GTA V looks stunning. Hairworks in TW3 also looks amazing, as does TressFX in Tomb Raider. I believe these settings were specifically designed for future generations of graphics cards, in the same way the new Total War game was never meant to be played at the highest settings with even a 1080p screen until a year or so from now when the next generation of GPU's arrive. The developers admitted this themselves.
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Nice, just to be sure - you mean you do +177 on gpu core and are able to do Valley runs without problem?

ASIC 76.7% - Max voltage 1.990v - +170 core or 1550MHz (running Valley as I type this - believe I had it running +180 at one point when I was first testing but reduced it some for more stability along with memory overclock). However, I think I have to drop it to like +150/160 if I want memory to be +500 and stable.

Need to do more searching but I seem to get throttling when it hits 65C - about 10-15MHz worth (could hitting temp limits also cause driver/Valley to crash? Or is driver/Valley crashing purely a hardware OC instability).

---

Side question - does anyone know what I might need to set my Corsair Link RGB to, to match the purple of the Windforce LED?

Drag blue all the way up, zero green, move red up about halfway up the slider, play with the red slider to get the exact purple or pink you want.
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With Power Limit 100% my highest stable core setting is +125MHz to give 1277MHz. My max boost is 177MHz giving a max core of 1454MHz and is stable with Heaven, Valley, Skyrim & Witcher 2.
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/8605415

My understanding is the max boost delta varies card-to-card and is related to ASIC %, so my point was it would be interesting to see evidence that owners with higher ASIC % get a higher max boost delta. So for instance with your ASIC 76.7% core what is the max boost from the default core of 1152MHz? My ASIC 64.1% core max boost is 177MHz and I would expect yours to be higher.

Interested in your comment about throttling as I have noticed 1454Mhz occasionally drops to 1441Mhz and stays there even though I never hit 80C.

Currently at work but I'll update once I get home and can test some. I have my Power Target set to 130% (from what I've read, most suggest doing so and not worrying any more about it - not sure if it generates more heat or strain the GPU). I'll also try with it set to 100%.
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Drag blue all the way up, zero green, move red up about halfway up the slider, play with the red slider to get the exact purple or pink you want.

Cool, thanks. That's what I kinda did with the help of my brother. Was thinking someone might have a really good eye for calibration and had an exact number to use haha.
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Cool, thanks. That's what I kinda did with the help of my brother. Was thinking someone might have a really good eye for calibration and had an exact number to use haha.

Red 168 Green 0 Blue 255, play with red slider to adjust.
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Upgrading from 353.62 to 355.82 dropped my FireStrike score by like 600 points - seems like there's a few others who have had similar experiences when upgrading drivers? Had scored like 16220 before.

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/8651432

Appears to be stable at +150/+500 even with Power Limit set to 100%.

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