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The issue shows its head on alot of lower than 60% ASIC scoring cards with issues in the Nvidia boost 2.0 acting very odd on factory OC'd cards (some running stock factory settings) and then often crashing to desktop in games it is especially showing in the GTX 900 series maxwell 2 lineup so criticize me all you want but EVGA seem to have found this so has other companies like MSI and so on this is why theyre requiring better binning from Nvidia for they factory OC'd cards in early release alot of the Nvidia GTX 900 series had really low ASIC scores these were the red flags for these major companies in early release there was alot of RMAing going on over this issue so most of the below 60% ASIC quality cards were weened out but still some exist.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
I also want to point out alot of the cards with low ASIC scores often throttle for no apparent reason in games (some running stock factory settings) and sometimes have been found to stick at a set clock till the machine is rebooted some have bugged out so bad that well they screw up MSI afterburner and such to no longer allow users to adjust anything for Vram frequency / voltage or anything this has to do with Nvidia GPU boost 2.0 freaking out and going nuts and causing odd driver issues and this is mainly prominent on lower scoring ASIC cards again take all this how you will.

I will also say ASIC quality affects power consumption / heat output / voltage required and also effects lifespan to a certain degree and I want to also point out there are other parts on the PCB that also have ASIC quality that can effect things also but we have no way to check these.
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very nice and on stock voltage on factory air cooling likely none the less just goes to show you how much ASIC quality and such can play a part especially if rest of the hardware on the PCB are good.

I want to point out ASIC quality is part of what the OEM's like ASUS and such use to bin theyre DIE's they receive from Nvidia to put on theyre upper tiered cards like your kingpins.

Intel / AMD / Nvidia / IBM / ARM / qualacom and many more all use ASIC quality as part of theyre binning process it is part of theyre in house binning so people need to understand it plays a large part it isn't the end all be all but can play a major part as long as rest of the hardware used along with it is also paired accordingly alot of stuff that goes into motherboards / graphics cards / phones / laptops / tablets and so on have other components on them that also have ASIC quality and it is a total picture that matters not one part it is how all the parts work together and if theyre all of good quality whether it be ASIC quality or whatever.


Rick, you certainly have "evolved" from your original posts in this thread ... ie. 70%-->60% and ASIC isn't the end all be all ...
We may end up "friends" after all ! biggrin.gif ...

+R for stimulating a conversation I believe some will find quite useful while getting a handle on how ASIC effects/relates to an Enthusiast's build thumb.gif

Still like to see more links or even whitepapers on your research, like the military requirements, I know they are in place but I can't find the specifics/specs on it rolleyes.gif
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I'm still amazed that "we" still think to get high clocks on Maxwell we must add voltage. My 980 K|NGP|N's hit their respective walls at 1530/1550 under 1.20v and no matter what I added they would do no more. I know that if I would've gotten them cold they would crank up and the memory did great (8800) with more voltage. wink.gif

Good job on yer card! ASIC doesn't mean instant success or failure. Personally out of all 10 Maxwell's I've had high 60's low 70's seemed to work best for me. thumb.gif

SS

Man hittin' the nail on the head, especially with Maxwell ... +R thumb.gif

I think it has a lot to do with the vendors finally catching up to the OC community and releasing superior products. I mean we are still seeing in general a 50% OC over Reference with just a few clicks of the mouse! We had to jump through hoops to see those kind of gains in the past. Gone are the good ol' days of Unwinder (Guru3D) helping us unlock cores, pencil mods for voltage tweaks and the feeling you really pulled one over on the manufacturer for boosted performance on the cheap. We're still doing it, but not on the same scale, because the vendors have finally listened to us over the years and are giving us what we proved could be "reliably" done in the past, right out of the box now a days!

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tomcat v i'm curious is that case you showed on page 60 a nanoxia Deep silence? cause i have one off those and i'm tempted to get a G1 except i'm worried about how the fans will hold up in this case (stock 140mm case fans from nanoxia deep silence 6) since my Evga 680 signature edition while it runs cool @ 2560x1440 when it needs to boost to 1200 and up (max 72°c) there's alot off hot air coming out off the vent part at the back off that one and since the g1 doesn't have a vent opening i was wondering how the card would hold up before i go for that one or the zotac amp edition since that one does have a back vent but doesn't oc as well

Opps, should have been more clear, It's a little deceiving, as the case airflow "mock-up" pic is done with a generic Corsair case that is a very similar layout of my good ol' CM HAF922 slightly modded (cut out fan grills etc) see HERE for more details on my actual fan set-up if you missed it. It may be a little trickier to get as much case airflow with the Deep Silence. If the G1 has a drawback it certainly is the amount of heat generated with no exterior venting, in my book it's a very small price to pay for what you get in return! biggrin.gif
 
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The issue shows its head on alot of lower than 60% ASIC scoring cards with issues in the Nvidia boost 2.0 acting very odd on factory OC'd cards (some running stock factory settings) and then often crashing to desktop in games it is especially showing in the GTX 900 series maxwell 2 lineup so criticize me all you want but EVGA seem to have found this so has other companies like MSI and so on this is why theyre requiring better binning from Nvidia for they factory OC'd cards in early release alot of the Nvidia GTX 900 series had really low ASIC scores these were the red flags for these major companies in early release there was alot of RMAing going on over this issue so most of the below 60% ASIC quality cards were weened out but still some exist.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
I also want to point out alot of the cards with low ASIC scores often throttle for no apparent reason in games (some running stock factory settings) and sometimes have been found to stick at a set clock till the machine is rebooted some have bugged out so bad that well they screw up MSI afterburner and such to no longer allow users to adjust anything for Vram frequency / voltage or anything this has to do with Nvidia GPU boost 2.0 freaking out and going nuts and causing odd driver issues and this is mainly prominent on lower scoring ASIC cards again take all this how you will.

I will also say ASIC quality affects power consumption / heat output / voltage required and also effects lifespan to a certain degree and I want to also point out there are other parts on the PCB that also have ASIC quality that can effect things also but we have no way to check these.
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Originally Posted by rickcooperjr View Post


very nice and on stock voltage on factory air cooling likely none the less just goes to show you how much ASIC quality and such can play a part especially if rest of the hardware on the PCB are good.

I want to point out ASIC quality is part of what the OEM's like ASUS and such use to bin theyre DIE's they receive from Nvidia to put on theyre upper tiered cards like your kingpins.

Intel / AMD / Nvidia / IBM / ARM / qualacom and many more all use ASIC quality as part of theyre binning process it is part of theyre in house binning so people need to understand it plays a large part it isn't the end all be all but can play a major part as long as rest of the hardware used along with it is also paired accordingly alot of stuff that goes into motherboards / graphics cards / phones / laptops / tablets and so on have other components on them that also have ASIC quality and it is a total picture that matters not one part it is how all the parts work together and if theyre all of good quality whether it be ASIC quality or whatever.


Rick, you certainly have "evolved" from your original posts in this thread ... ie. 70%-->60% and ASIC isn't the end all be all ...
We may end up "friends" after all ! biggrin.gif ...

+R for stimulating a conversation I believe some will find quite useful while getting a handle on how ASIC effects/relates to an Enthusiast's build thumb.gif

Still like to see more links or even whitepapers on your research, like the military requirements, I know they are in place but I can't find the specifics/specs on it rolleyes.gif
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Originally Posted by ssiperko View Post

I'm still amazed that "we" still think to get high clocks on Maxwell we must add voltage. My 980 K|NGP|N's hit their respective walls at 1530/1550 under 1.20v and no matter what I added they would do no more. I know that if I would've gotten them cold they would crank up and the memory did great (8800) with more voltage. wink.gif

Good job on yer card! ASIC doesn't mean instant success or failure. Personally out of all 10 Maxwell's I've had high 60's low 70's seemed to work best for me. thumb.gif

SS

Man hittin' the nail on the head, especially with Maxwell ... +R thumb.gif

I think it has a lot to do with the vendors finally catching up to the OC community and releasing superior products. I mean we are still seeing in general a 50% OC over Reference with just a few clicks of the mouse! We had to jump through hoops to see those kind of gains in the past. Gone are the good ol' days of Unwinder (Guru3D) helping us unlock cores, pencil mods for voltage tweaks and the feeling you really pulled one over on the manufacturer for boosted performance on the cheap. We're still doing it, but not on the same scale, because the vendors have finally listened to us over the years and are giving us what we proved could be "reliably" done in the past, right out of the box now a days!

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Originally Posted by Cyb3r View Post

tomcat v i'm curious is that case you showed on page 60 a nanoxia Deep silence? cause i have one off those and i'm tempted to get a G1 except i'm worried about how the fans will hold up in this case (stock 140mm case fans from nanoxia deep silence 6) since my Evga 680 signature edition while it runs cool @ 2560x1440 when it needs to boost to 1200 and up (max 72°c) there's alot off hot air coming out off the vent part at the back off that one and since the g1 doesn't have a vent opening i was wondering how the card would hold up before i go for that one or the zotac amp edition since that one does have a back vent but doesn't oc as well

Opps, should have been more clear, It's a little deceiving, as the case airflow "mock-up" pic is done with a generic Corsair case that is a very similar layout of my good ol' CM HAF922 slightly modded (cut out fan grills etc) see HERE for more details on my actual fan set-up if you missed it. It may be a little trickier to get as much case airflow with the Deep Silence. If the G1 has a drawback it certainly is the amount of heat generated with no exterior venting, in my book it's a very small price to pay for what you get in return! biggrin.gif
I only know about the military requirements because a uncle works for DARPA as a private entity he is a engineer and occasionally basic questions get asked at family get togethers and I once asked about theyre military grade processors and such I asked because of my military grade motherboard and well ASIC quality got brought up along with alot of other specs that went way over my head and everything is to be sand proof / water resistant / and be capable of a certain amount of pressure and Gforce and so on. I am telling you military grade specs are no joke and our consumer parts that are supposedly military grade are nowhere near it.
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Tomcat the deep silence 6 got 2 fans front 2 to the top and one backwards all 140mm ya reckon that would be enough for the G1? and that's in current stock config i could add 2 extra 140mm blowing to the side aswell
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I'm still amazed that "we" still think to get high clocks on Maxwell we must add voltage. My 980 K|NGP|N's hit their respective walls at 1530/1550 under 1.20v and no matter what I added they would do no more. I know that if I would've gotten them cold they would crank up and the memory did great (8800) with more voltage. wink.gif

Good job on yer card! ASIC doesn't mean instant success or failure. Personally out of all 10 Maxwell's I've had high 60's low 70's seemed to work best for me. thumb.gif

SS


Well, my G1 scales very well with voltage. I need +40 to keep my 1520 clock for gaming, but I need +75 to keep stable 1555 in bench. If I get lower it downclocks. 73,2 ASIC. I think I won lottery thumb.gif. I could probably push it harder with BIOS tweaks but I was amazed anyway in my last test results so I don't want to stress my baby too much ^^.

I think it the end its all about silicon lottery.
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yeah sounds like a good oc i'm having some fun with my 680 oc till i can get either the G1 or the zotac only reason i'm on the fence is due to not having an exhaust on the G1

currently my 680 is at 1256 core and + 53 on mem i'll push the mem further when i've ironed out the power issues even tho my asic is 81.5% boosting out off the gate was really meh on my evga signature edi
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@tomcatv what's your temps at with your oc? mostly as a reference since my 680 sig tops out at 75°c when i have to really push it (cough skyrim with too many texture mods cough)
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@tomcatv what's your temps at with your oc? mostly as a reference since my 680 sig tops out at 75°c when i have to really push it (cough skyrim with too many texture mods cough)

Hmmmm serious? rolleyes.gif
Go back one page R-click on my screenshots and open in a new tab, makes AB graphs easy to read wink.gif
Depends on the ambients, but @74F 24/7 OC 1440/8000 loads never exceed 63c with 60% max fan profile.
Interesting my previous card(s) were Evga 680 Sig2's ... there is no comparison in the cooling efficiency of the G1 vs 680 Sig2's at any overclock or case setup on air ...
 
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ok sorry i missed the post due to reading that page on my phone and it indexes the page differently thnx tomcatv smile.gif and it's more as an impression since my 680 runs on the hotter side but still cool compared to what my gtx480 did T.T
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How is the card?
Any issues with it?
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How is the card?
Any issues with it?

Did you ask someone in particular or just any of us, owners here? I can tell you personally that I am amazed with G1. Stable, easy OC, great temps on air, killer look with custom LEDs to fit any RIG, quiet and cheap compare to some other 980 TIs that have problems on average to OC as good as G1 while costing a lot more.

I am happy owner and I will look for opportunity in next months to pick second one, but for now budget is tight smile.gif

Also- no coil whine or anything like this. At +75 overvoltage card do not go beyond 69-71C after hours of Witcher 3 gaming.
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Intel i7 5775C 4.2 Ghz 1.36V Asus VII Hero ASUS GTX 1080 Ti STRIX OC 11 GB 2063/6000 24/7 G.Skill DDR3 16GB (2x8GB) TridentX 2133MHz 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
SSD HyperX Savage 480GB SATA3 Seagate 3.5'', 2TB, SATAIII Corsair H105 Windows 10 Pro 
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XB271HU 1440p 165Hz Corsair K70 LUX RGB EVGA Supernova G2 1000 PHANTEKS Enthoo Evolv ATX Tempered Glass- Black. 
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Razer DeathAdder Chroma EXCO Scropion Athletics Edifier R1800BT SENNHEISER HD598 SPECIAL EDITION - BLACK 
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