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Yes.

Honestly I don't even understand what you people are going on about. If you look at keyboard oriented community such as GH or Deskthority you'll notice that none of them holds Cherry in particularly high regards. They haven't produced any great keyboards besides the ancient G80-5000/V80-5000.

Look what "features" that mx board 6 came with that people were pissing themselves all over:

N-key rollover over USB - wow how amazing, there's loads of $60 boards with NKRO such as ozone strike battle, magicforce, noppoo lolita, etc
1000hz polling rate USB - most of the before mentioned keyboards also already has this. oh and pretty every keyboard released from the last 2 years from any big brand (filco, majestictouch, leopold, ducky, etc) has this
1ms response time - same as with the polling.

Key switches? It's just regular cherry mx reds. Like the same reds that's been in keyboards with cherry mx red switches for the last 4 years. If keyboard "experts" are to rely on then cherry switches are old and busted, it's either topre or gateron ones now.

Sounds like people got worked up and spent an extra $90 over nothing.
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Yes.

Honestly I don't even understand what you people are going on about. If you look at keyboard oriented community such as GH or Deskthority you'll notice that none of them holds Cherry in particularly high regards. They haven't produced any great keyboards besides the ancient G80-5000/V80-5000.

Look what "features" that mx board 6 came with that people were pissing themselves all over:

N-key rollover over USB - wow how amazing, there's loads of $60 boards with NKRO such as ozone strike battle, magicforce, noppoo lolita, etc
1000hz polling rate USB - most of the before mentioned keyboards also already has this. oh and pretty every keyboard released from the last 2 years from any big brand (filco, majestictouch, leopold, ducky, etc) has this
1ms response time - same as with the polling.

Key switches? It's just regular cherry mx reds. Like the same reds that's been in keyboards with cherry mx red switches for the last 4 years. If keyboard "experts" are to rely on then cherry switches are old and busted, it's either topre or gateron ones now.

Sounds like people got worked up and spent an extra $90 over nothing.


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Personally, I think that RealKey is a great idea. It's worth keeping in mind that reducing the amount of lag on the input not only improves speed, but also consistency, to a degree that is notable in objective testing (as in the AnandTech review here).

The problem is that the MX Board 6.0 is just so expensive. RealKey is nice, but nowadays, you can get a capacitive keyboard for around $100, or an optical keyboard for around $125. These technologies do not require debouncing in the first place, and can therefore rival RealKey for speed, while also offering the potential for greater longevity compared to contact-based switching. To get on my wishlist in 2016 at $200, the MX Board 6.0 would need to have more than just RealKey and a little bit of aluminum trim going for it.
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For a difference of 19ms

1ms vs 20ms might be a diff story once OLED 0.1 ms panels start coming out. once everything, I notice I get more kills in fps games when my monitor is at 1-3ms vs its usual 14ms (overclocking from 60hz to 110hz) and i measure it ingame. wink.gif
    
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>keyboard science
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This

For a difference of 19ms

Is this guy just trolling the thread or something? He just linked to a site with a bunch of animated videos and some vague terms that shows absolutely nothing. Also, 19ms? 19 ms over what?
I might as well as throw together some fancy animation telling how my mouse has a built in processor with 40 gigaflops of horsepower to accurately predict my actions and provide movement assistance for greater precision.


Look at the PCB of it and see how it's fairly standard, I don't see any magic glyph setup with each key having a standalone path to the controller chip like the advertisement seems to suggest.
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Is this guy just trolling the thread or something? He just linked to a site with a bunch of animated videos and some vague terms that shows absolutely nothing. Also, 19ms? 19 ms over what?
I might as well as throw together some fancy animation telling how my mouse has a built in processor with 40 gigaflops of horsepower to accurately predict my actions and provide movement assistance for greater precision.


Look at the PCB of it and see how it's fairly standard, I don't see any magic glyph setup with each key having a standalone path to the controller chip like the advertisement seems to suggest.


I didn't want to insult you and wanted you to learn why the keyboard is different than others. The "old" technology scans the keyboard matrix/input points at 20ms intervals, Analog doesn't. "Instead of digitally scanning the switching points, each key is simply connected
to the analog controller. ..." which means each key is acknowledged instantly or at 1ms, not the average 20ms.
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I didn't want to insult you and wanted you to learn why the keyboard is different than others. The "old" technology scans the keyboard matrix/input points at 20ms intervals, Analog doesn't. "Instead of digitally scanning the switching points, each key is simply connected
to the analog controller. ..." which means each key is acknowledged instantly or at 1ms, not the average 20ms.
Can you please stop posting if you don't even understand what the basics of communication even works between keyboard and PC?

scans the keyboard matrix/input sorry, did you mean polling rate? Which on the other keyboards I linked already specifies 1000hz. As in 1000 times, per second. As in 1milli (one out of one thousand) second time. Any recent good gaming keyboard takes 0.25-0.45ms per scan, a good bit faster than what's actually being used since the USB HID class only supports polling rate of up to 1000 Hz.

What Cherry states as 20ms on average is the debounce time, which is bull**** as well since any good gaming keyboard operate at 2-5ms debounce. mx6 saves time here as the analog controller only needs to take the 0.8ms to register. It makes the mx6 faster, but then we're talking about 2ms vs 3.6ms (depending on keyboard). This is only if we're talking about keyboards using firmware that applies debounce before key activation. Several reputable brands has an implementation that sends a keydown and then applies debounce after it making it effectively as fast as the polling rate - 1ms so to say.
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