Overclock.net › Forums › Cooling › Air Cooling › New CPU cooler, 160mm max height in Node 804 case
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

New CPU cooler, 160mm max height in Node 804 case - Page 10

post #91 of 131
Generally speaking, less TIM performs better then more. I usually use a dob about the size of a cooked grain of rice .. about 1/3 the size of a pea. wink.gif
http://www.overclock.net/t/1491876/ways-to-better-cooling-airflow-cooler-fan-data/0_20#post_22335323
post #92 of 131
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by doyll View Post

Generally speaking, less TIM performs better then more. I usually use a dob about the size of a cooked grain of rice .. about 1/3 the size of a pea. wink.gif
http://www.overclock.net/t/1491876/ways-to-better-cooling-airflow-cooler-fan-data/0_20#post_22335323

Alrighty worth a shot, i have a mostly full tube of pk-2 and a full tube of pk-3, so plenty to experiment with.

Does anyome have tips for installing these crazy huge dual tower heatsinks? I've really only dealt with things the size of the 212 evo and an aio.
Deepthought
(15 items)
 
Baldr
(14 items)
 
Terminal Dogma
(6 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD A10-7850K MSI A88XM-GAMING Integrated Crucial Ballistix Sport  
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Samsung 850 EVO  Prolimatech Genesis Black 2x Phanteks PH-F140HP 3x Noctua NF-P14S 
OSMonitorKeyboardCase
Debian 8 Samsung UN55H6350AFXZA Dell Generic Nanoxia Deep Silence 5 
MouseOther
Logitech G402 HP NC364T 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Intel Core I3 M370 Intel HD Toshiba Samsung 850 EVO 
OSOS
Windows 7 Ultimate Fedora 21 
  hide details  
Reply
Deepthought
(15 items)
 
Baldr
(14 items)
 
Terminal Dogma
(6 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD A10-7850K MSI A88XM-GAMING Integrated Crucial Ballistix Sport  
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Samsung 850 EVO  Prolimatech Genesis Black 2x Phanteks PH-F140HP 3x Noctua NF-P14S 
OSMonitorKeyboardCase
Debian 8 Samsung UN55H6350AFXZA Dell Generic Nanoxia Deep Silence 5 
MouseOther
Logitech G402 HP NC364T 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Intel Core I3 M370 Intel HD Toshiba Samsung 850 EVO 
OSOS
Windows 7 Ultimate Fedora 21 
  hide details  
Reply
post #93 of 131
I've done so many I can't even begin to count them. And with one I have not installed before I always do a dry run to figure out how to get it set square and centered on CPU and mount it without out moving cooler around. This also makes sure everything lines up and works properly.

Make sure everything that need to be plugged in under cooler is plugged in. Sometimes fan headers, mobo power, etc are impossible to reach with cooler installed.

If you have plenty of TIM and are not sure how much to use, try a small dob, mount up tight, then take it back off and look at the print to see if it's good. Remember most CPU chips are pretty much centered under the IHS with nothing in the corners or near the edges, so don't worry about TIM spread covering entire IHS.

I cut paper towel into 2-3" squares with razor knife or scissors and use these small squares to wipe off TIM. Wipe, fold, wipe, to the bin. This usually makes for less TIM "jumping" onto other things in the room. No need to use alcohol (not the drinking kind) or TIM cleaner. Just wipe CPU and cooler clean and apply another dob. (Many think cleaning like this, called "timming" actually7 improves the TIM seat.
post #94 of 131
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by doyll View Post

I've done so many I can't even begin to count them. And with one I have not installed before I always do a dry run to figure out how to get it set square and centered on CPU and mount it without out moving cooler around. This also makes sure everything lines up and works properly.

Yeah the dry run was important, however, mine was more to make sure I could put my case side back on again without issue. Now that you mention if though, I definitely moved the cooler around a bit upon installation with the paste on, that probably didn't help at all. It was more of an accident though.
Quote:
Originally Posted by doyll View Post

Make sure everything that need to be plugged in under cooler is plugged in. Sometimes fan headers, mobo power, etc are impossible to reach with cooler installed.

lolol I ran into this problem when trying to readjust the rear fan on the cooler and plug it in elseswhere, and change my rear case fan at the same time. I had to take out the ram, to get the gpu out, to take off the bracket on the rear CPU fan, to take out my case exhaust fan. What a nightmare.
Quote:
Originally Posted by doyll View Post

If you have plenty of TIM and are not sure how much to use, try a small dob, mount up tight, then take it back off and look at the print to see if it's good. Remember most CPU chips are pretty much centered under the IHS with nothing in the corners or near the edges, so don't worry about TIM spread covering entire IHS.

I'll definitely do this, I don't want to screw it up again. I'll probably take a look at the delid thread again to see how the die is shaped, for some reason I'm thinking that Devils Canyon is rectangular in shape. Might be a good idea to consider doing a line over a dob for a more even spread over the die if that is the cases?
Quote:
Originally Posted by doyll View Post

I cut paper towel into 2-3" squares with razor knife or scissors and use these small squares to wipe off TIM. Wipe, fold, wipe, to the bin. This usually makes for less TIM "jumping" onto other things in the room. No need to use alcohol (not the drinking kind) or TIM cleaner. Just wipe CPU and cooler clean and apply another dob. (Many think cleaning like this, called "timming" actually7 improves the TIM seat.

TIM does usually find it's way onto other things. I have to ask though, do you have an opinoin on "timming"?
Deepthought
(15 items)
 
Baldr
(14 items)
 
Terminal Dogma
(6 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD A10-7850K MSI A88XM-GAMING Integrated Crucial Ballistix Sport  
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Samsung 850 EVO  Prolimatech Genesis Black 2x Phanteks PH-F140HP 3x Noctua NF-P14S 
OSMonitorKeyboardCase
Debian 8 Samsung UN55H6350AFXZA Dell Generic Nanoxia Deep Silence 5 
MouseOther
Logitech G402 HP NC364T 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Intel Core I3 M370 Intel HD Toshiba Samsung 850 EVO 
OSOS
Windows 7 Ultimate Fedora 21 
  hide details  
Reply
Deepthought
(15 items)
 
Baldr
(14 items)
 
Terminal Dogma
(6 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD A10-7850K MSI A88XM-GAMING Integrated Crucial Ballistix Sport  
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Samsung 850 EVO  Prolimatech Genesis Black 2x Phanteks PH-F140HP 3x Noctua NF-P14S 
OSMonitorKeyboardCase
Debian 8 Samsung UN55H6350AFXZA Dell Generic Nanoxia Deep Silence 5 
MouseOther
Logitech G402 HP NC364T 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Intel Core I3 M370 Intel HD Toshiba Samsung 850 EVO 
OSOS
Windows 7 Ultimate Fedora 21 
  hide details  
Reply
post #95 of 131
Quote:
Originally Posted by maddangerous View Post

Yeah the dry run was important, however, mine was more to make sure I could put my case side back on again without issue. Now that you mention if though, I definitely moved the cooler around a bit upon installation with the paste on, that probably didn't help at all. It was more of an accident though.
lolol I ran into this problem when trying to readjust the rear fan on the cooler and plug it in elseswhere, and change my rear case fan at the same time. I had to take out the ram, to get the gpu out, to take off the bracket on the rear CPU fan, to take out my case exhaust fan. What a nightmare.
I'll definitely do this, I don't want to screw it up again. I'll probably take a look at the delid thread again to see how the die is shaped, for some reason I'm thinking that Devils Canyon is rectangular in shape. Might be a good idea to consider doing a line over a dob for a more even spread over the die if that is the cases?
TIM does usually find it's way onto other things. I have to ask though, do you have an opinoin on "timming"?
School of Hard Knocks. biggrin.gif

The IHS really does little heat spreading. more than a few mm beyond edges of chips. That's what the TIM amount / spread article proves. Just enough TIM thins out better so transfers heat away faster.

Timming may not help. I don't know because if it is 0.5c better than a scrubbed clean surface it is near impossible for use to determine. Margin of error in testing is usually +/-1c .. 2c total. 0.5c is +/-0.25c margin of error. thumb.gif

End of the day paper towels shed no fibers, are cheap, get the surfaces as clean as can be, and not using cleaner when testing several coolers with repeated seating of each to make sure TIM print is good saves a considerable amount of time and definitely does not cause any problems. If it does help its just another good reason to not use a bunch of cleaners. That said, I always use the same TIM so what I'm cleaning of is the same as is going back on, but most all TIM is made from the same basic ingredients anyway.
post #96 of 131
Thread Starter 
I got a better shot of the TIM job I did last time around. CPU is currently waiting for me to finish this post to clean it up, dust out the case real quick, and reinstall everything.





I know it isn't the greatest, but I'm still learning how to use a camera/mess with lighting lol

Edit: Clean CPU, playing with the camera. Opinions on the pics? Basically everything was set to auto on the camera for the second pic, the first one was manual focus.






Edited by maddangerous - 11/9/15 at 12:37pm
Deepthought
(15 items)
 
Baldr
(14 items)
 
Terminal Dogma
(6 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD A10-7850K MSI A88XM-GAMING Integrated Crucial Ballistix Sport  
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Samsung 850 EVO  Prolimatech Genesis Black 2x Phanteks PH-F140HP 3x Noctua NF-P14S 
OSMonitorKeyboardCase
Debian 8 Samsung UN55H6350AFXZA Dell Generic Nanoxia Deep Silence 5 
MouseOther
Logitech G402 HP NC364T 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Intel Core I3 M370 Intel HD Toshiba Samsung 850 EVO 
OSOS
Windows 7 Ultimate Fedora 21 
  hide details  
Reply
Deepthought
(15 items)
 
Baldr
(14 items)
 
Terminal Dogma
(6 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD A10-7850K MSI A88XM-GAMING Integrated Crucial Ballistix Sport  
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Samsung 850 EVO  Prolimatech Genesis Black 2x Phanteks PH-F140HP 3x Noctua NF-P14S 
OSMonitorKeyboardCase
Debian 8 Samsung UN55H6350AFXZA Dell Generic Nanoxia Deep Silence 5 
MouseOther
Logitech G402 HP NC364T 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Intel Core I3 M370 Intel HD Toshiba Samsung 850 EVO 
OSOS
Windows 7 Ultimate Fedora 21 
  hide details  
Reply
post #97 of 131
Thread Starter 
In light of some absolutely wonderful power system issues, power on for this has to wait until tomorrow. I have a wall outlet that is half fried, or at least that is my best guess. That breaker is shut off, and tomorrow I'm going to buy a new receptacle from Home Depot and install it. Waiting for my landlord to do it would take a while so yeah..

On the other hand, does anyone know just how much I could expect this cooler to sag? It has been, I know it is heavy, and went into this expecting it to happen, but is there a way I could reinforce or support it somehow? It sits a little close to the backplate of my GPU, so I want to try to take care of this. As far as I am aware of, all of the screws for the mounting system are tight, but I'll be checking it when I can test the cooler and take it off again to check the paste and re-do it later on in the week.

This is how much paste is on there. Looks like a bit more than it really is, the PK-3 really didn't want to break off from the tube.

Deepthought
(15 items)
 
Baldr
(14 items)
 
Terminal Dogma
(6 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD A10-7850K MSI A88XM-GAMING Integrated Crucial Ballistix Sport  
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Samsung 850 EVO  Prolimatech Genesis Black 2x Phanteks PH-F140HP 3x Noctua NF-P14S 
OSMonitorKeyboardCase
Debian 8 Samsung UN55H6350AFXZA Dell Generic Nanoxia Deep Silence 5 
MouseOther
Logitech G402 HP NC364T 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Intel Core I3 M370 Intel HD Toshiba Samsung 850 EVO 
OSOS
Windows 7 Ultimate Fedora 21 
  hide details  
Reply
Deepthought
(15 items)
 
Baldr
(14 items)
 
Terminal Dogma
(6 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD A10-7850K MSI A88XM-GAMING Integrated Crucial Ballistix Sport  
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Samsung 850 EVO  Prolimatech Genesis Black 2x Phanteks PH-F140HP 3x Noctua NF-P14S 
OSMonitorKeyboardCase
Debian 8 Samsung UN55H6350AFXZA Dell Generic Nanoxia Deep Silence 5 
MouseOther
Logitech G402 HP NC364T 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Intel Core I3 M370 Intel HD Toshiba Samsung 850 EVO 
OSOS
Windows 7 Ultimate Fedora 21 
  hide details  
Reply
post #98 of 131
A piece of insulated wire through fin pack and round a heatpipe on one end and attached to something in the top of the case. One on each fin pack.

Another option is to use a brace from bottom fo case up to cooler. I've used a small diameter dowel from bottom of case up to GPU for support. Might be able to do something like that for CPU cooler.
post #99 of 131
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by doyll View Post

A piece of insulated wire through fin pack and round a heatpipe on one end and attached to something in the top of the case. One on each fin pack.

Another option is to use a brace from bottom fo case up to cooler. I've used a small diameter dowel from bottom of case up to GPU for support. Might be able to do something like that for CPU cooler.

Fishing line would be perfect if it had better temperature capabilities, i'm sure it would start melting or something.
Deepthought
(15 items)
 
Baldr
(14 items)
 
Terminal Dogma
(6 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD A10-7850K MSI A88XM-GAMING Integrated Crucial Ballistix Sport  
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Samsung 850 EVO  Prolimatech Genesis Black 2x Phanteks PH-F140HP 3x Noctua NF-P14S 
OSMonitorKeyboardCase
Debian 8 Samsung UN55H6350AFXZA Dell Generic Nanoxia Deep Silence 5 
MouseOther
Logitech G402 HP NC364T 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Intel Core I3 M370 Intel HD Toshiba Samsung 850 EVO 
OSOS
Windows 7 Ultimate Fedora 21 
  hide details  
Reply
Deepthought
(15 items)
 
Baldr
(14 items)
 
Terminal Dogma
(6 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD A10-7850K MSI A88XM-GAMING Integrated Crucial Ballistix Sport  
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Samsung 850 EVO  Prolimatech Genesis Black 2x Phanteks PH-F140HP 3x Noctua NF-P14S 
OSMonitorKeyboardCase
Debian 8 Samsung UN55H6350AFXZA Dell Generic Nanoxia Deep Silence 5 
MouseOther
Logitech G402 HP NC364T 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Intel Core I3 M370 Intel HD Toshiba Samsung 850 EVO 
OSOS
Windows 7 Ultimate Fedora 21 
  hide details  
Reply
post #100 of 131
Wouldn't worry about the fishing line melting if it's attached at the top of the fin pack. If it does melt, there's more dangerous thermal problems to deal with, like the room on fire or the case has sustained a meteor strike.

There are titanium/carbon fiber composite fishing lines available. They're relatively cheap. Unless you purchase them in classical guitar string form, then they are pricey. However, with any elastic line, it will stretch so you will need to pre-stretch it. I suggest taking up classical guitar, buying a set of pricey Pyramid carbon strings and playing the hell out of it for 3-6 months. Then use the broken-in, but not broken B string as the tower support line. Not the fastest mod, but what price supporting the arts? ;-)

Or...could get a case that mounts the motherboard in the correct (horizontal) orientation and not deal with sagging cooler mounts or blisters on your fingers.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Air Cooling
Overclock.net › Forums › Cooling › Air Cooling › New CPU cooler, 160mm max height in Node 804 case