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...or just fire up a 512MB Virtualbox VM from his Windows desktop. It's quick, it's free and it's still all the same basic skills as an ancient PC or Raspberry Pi.
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If pursuing a career in a technical field is something you really want to do then you should do so. There are many different routes that you can take, but what i recommend you do is get a little taste of everything. A lot of the time knowledge that you've obtained from one field can greatly help you in another, but that's not always the case. There will be moments when you've encountered something completely new and you'll have to figure out how it works. This will occur throughout your whole career and in order to keep up with everyone else you will have to continually be learning. If you want to become a *nix administrator then you need to start working with a *nix system and learn the basics. You won't understand everything, but you'll slowly learn how things work and gain a larger understanding of concepts. I personally believe that the best way to learn anything is through experiential learning, so go download some *nix operating systems (Debian, Arch, FreeBSD, CentOS anything really) and just start using them. Learn how to properly install and setup a web server or game server, through that process not only will you learn how to interact with the OS but you'll also learn how to configure files and use that OS's software and tools. It may also be useful to read a few books, but the experience of actually doing hands on work will outweigh the reading, this was true for me. My instructor that i had in high school taught Cisco Networking at the CCNA and CCNP levels, he was an amazing teacher for me, but even the books that he had wrote completely bored me to death, i didn't want to go through 500 pages of reading. You can learn a lot without spending a single penny, with the internet available you can learn anything if you wish so, but don't expect people to handout everything to you.
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Thats for the info and the link. I have little knowledge when it comes to networking.

Thanks to you both for the input, it gave me a good idea on the differences.
I really cant wait to learn some of these, got to do some googling. I know how paging and file structure works but never got really in-dept with them.
What is the difference, I am a noob.
Currently I'm a broke student that is studying computer science. I've had my eye on the Networking side and noticed that their are a lot of jobs around my area that looking to hire. I knew this before I went to Uni but decided to take Computer Science Instead of Networking as I wanted to learn all around the computer industry. Recently I had to be dealing with website servers but there is little I can do which someone else has to fix. I dont know, I just want to learn more with networking.

What do you guys mean dime a dozen? Do you mean their are a lot of windows administrators?

Thanks!

Should I learn Windows then?

Windows is a good learning curve and an awesome path if you do get to like it. Go for it imo biggrin.gif let the permissions nightmare and random crashes begin! tongue.gif
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Linux is completely free. I'd recommend downloading ArchLinux or Debian and then try setting up a web site.

ArchLinux is very hands on. You'll hate it at first as you don't even have a "proper" installer (instead you have to manually partition and install the system), but you will learn much.

Debian is much less intimidating. It's basically Ubuntu but without the gimmicks (or rather Ubuntu is a gimmicky Debian)

I have a virtualbox installed with Ubuntu, I've had pervious experiance with it but I used to use one that we used to call "eadwine" which has no GUI at all. Should I start using ArchLinux?
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Greetz again,

I highly recommend that you acquire the hardware to setup a basic network in your room. A PC for network learning and testing doesn't require anything but basics. It can be 20 years old as long as it has a NIC. You'll also want a router but if you really want to jump in with both feet even an ancient 486 or a Raspberry Pi could function as a router. Checkout Freesco as one example of readily available software that will turn any PC into a router.

You should be able to put this together at school with little or no cost. People throw away old PCs all the time or donate to schools and asking friends and professors in CS would likely find you some leads and assistance. It really is quite one thing to read about it and quite another to sho nuff do it! Putting one together on the cheap has the massive advantage of you not caring if you "break it" since recovering from disaster is a hugely useful learning process.
Good Fortune, Brother

I got a PI and even some old PC. Im gonna try and make the PI a router, how hard could it be? tongue.gif
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...or just fire up a 512MB Virtualbox VM from his Windows desktop. It's quick, it's free and it's still all the same basic skills as an ancient PC or Raspberry Pi.

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If pursuing a career in a technical field is something you really want to do then you should do so. There are many different routes that you can take, but what i recommend you do is get a little taste of everything. A lot of the time knowledge that you've obtained from one field can greatly help you in another, but that's not always the case. There will be moments when you've encountered something completely new and you'll have to figure out how it works. This will occur throughout your whole career and in order to keep up with everyone else you will have to continually be learning. If you want to become a *nix administrator then you need to start working with a *nix system and learn the basics. You won't understand everything, but you'll slowly learn how things work and gain a larger understanding of concepts. I personally believe that the best way to learn anything is through experiential learning, so go download some *nix operating systems (Debian, Arch, FreeBSD, CentOS anything really) and just start using them. Learn how to properly install and setup a web server or game server, through that process not only will you learn how to interact with the OS but you'll also learn how to configure files and use that OS's software and tools. It may also be useful to read a few books, but the experience of actually doing hands on work will outweigh the reading, this was true for me. My instructor that i had in high school taught Cisco Networking at the CCNA and CCNP levels, he was an amazing teacher for me, but even the books that he had wrote completely bored me to death, i didn't want to go through 500 pages of reading. You can learn a lot without spending a single penny, with the internet available you can learn anything if you wish so, but don't expect people to handout everything to you.
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haha! Thanks I will!

When trying to install a webserver, should I do it from scratch or use something like LAMP?
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I have a virtualbox installed with Ubuntu, I've had pervious experiance with it but I used to use one that we used to call "eadwine" which has no GUI at all. Should I start using ArchLinux?

You don't have to run Arch, but it's quite a nice platform, both to learn Linux and for everyday usage (it's what I run). There are other options out there, and which ever you pick is a matter of personal preference. But my advice to you would be avoid anything GUI based for now.
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My personal preference is CentOS if you want to go the linux route. It's about a close to RHEL (red hat) as you can get without technically being Red Hat.

RHEL on the other hand occupies a LOT of the market share when it comes to enterprise linux.
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I have a Pi Model B as well but couldn't imagine turning it into a router with just a 10/100 LAN port for networking. TBH a lot of the Pi projects have me shaking my head. It's a glorified µC and excels in that role, not as a server or router. BeagleBone and other similar dev boards are designed for that, not the Pi.
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I have a Pi Model B as well but couldn't imagine turning it into a router with just a 10/100 LAN port for networking. TBH a lot of the Pi projects have me shaking my head. It's a glorified µC and excels in that role, not as a server or router. BeagleBone and other similar dev boards are designed for that, not the Pi.

Eh? The Pi2 has a lot better specs than the BBB or similar. What's the difference for hosting a server between the two?

There's nothing inherently 'bad' about creating a router on a stick or similar with a Pi, as with anything else you build it to a certain specification and performance expectation. You don't have to be able to route 2 million packets per second to have a useful or fun device.
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dangit, Cubieboard is what I was thinking of not the BeagleBone, and the comparison was to the Pi Model B although the Pi 2 doesn't seem to upgrade anything but the SoC and RAM. Pi's pretty cool but it's better suited for projects that can make use of the GPIO. For a router project it would be more optimal to just take a spin around the block looking for working PC rigs that people have thrown out
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