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Nice video on YouTube of a Krait catching fire.

I never get enough of this video!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zTzpYjQ2MM

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That said, I am afraid of any other MSI board for overclocking. Other boards die but only MSI catches on fire.

That's because only MSI manages to combine on the same overclocking board, the worst mosfet manufacturer with the worst VRM overheating protection implementation.


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I never get enough of this video!
LoL! Why would those idiots put a 9590 on that board to begin with?
    
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I never get enough of this video!
LoL! Why would those idiots put a 9590 on that board to begin with?
That would be me. I'm not an idiot. I like blowing stuff up.
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LoL! Why would those idiots put a 9590 on that board to begin with?

Look at it from another point of view. It shows what would happen, if you tried to overclock an 8320 to 4.7Ghz. The problem is what miklkit said. Any motherboard can fail. But only with MSI you have high chances to actually set your rig on fire. It shows also, how bad the VRM throttling implementation of the motherboard is. Because it just went on fire within seconds. Where's the throttling down to 1400Mhz that a normal motherboard would do?


Here's an old thread, where unaware user, put FX-9590 on 4+1 Asrock 970 Extreme3 (unsupported on BIOS).

http://www.overclock.net/t/1476129/help-with-amd-fx9590-4-7ghz-and-asrock-extreme-3-r2-0-mobo

No fire.

There was yet another thread, where i had posted myself, warning the user that the board would die, but i can't find it. It was again Asrock 970 extreme3 with FX-9XXX. The user was merrily running but had FPS dips in BF4. Everyone warned him that the motherboard wasn't even supporting the CPU, the dips were the result of contant throttling. The board eventually died after more days of abuse, but again, no fire. Because even thought the Asrock Extreme3 is cheaper than the Krait, the mosfets come from a reputable brand (NXP) and Asrock has quite good VRM throttling implementation. The motherboard fought for days for its life, giving ample warning to the user, before finally capitulating to endless abuse.
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LoL! Why would those idiots put a 9590 on that board to begin with?

Look at it from another point of view. It shows what would happen, if you tried to overclock an 8320 to 4.7Ghz. The problem is what miklkit said. Any motherboard can fail. But only with MSI you have high chances to actually set your rig on fire. It shows also, how bad the VRM throttling implementation of the motherboard is. Because it just went on fire within seconds. Where's the throttling down to 1400Mhz that a normal motherboard would do?


Here's an old thread, where unaware user, put FX-9590 on 4+1 Asrock 970 Extreme3 (unsupported on BIOS).

http://www.overclock.net/t/1476129/help-with-amd-fx9590-4-7ghz-and-asrock-extreme-3-r2-0-mobo

No fire.

There was yet another thread, where i had posted myself, warning the user that the board would die, but i can't find it. It was again Asrock 970 extreme3 with FX-9XXX. The user was merrily running but had FPS dips in BF4. Everyone warned him that the motherboard wasn't even supporting the CPU, the dips were the result of contant throttling. The board eventually died after more days of abuse, but again, no fire. Because even thought the Asrock Extreme3 is cheaper than the Krait, the mosfets come from a reputable brand (NXP) and Asrock has quite good VRM throttling implementation. The motherboard fought for days for its life, giving ample warning to the user, before finally capitulating to endless abuse.

That's not entirely accurate , I know of cases involving Asrock ( fm2) and Gigabyte motherboards ( socket 939) that failed resulting in flames.

Using chips with a power demand greater than what the board is rated for, or overclocking, voids any warranty and places the responsibility upon the user.
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That's not entirely accurate , I know of cases involving Asrock ( fm2) and Gigabyte motherboards ( socket 939) that failed resulting in flames.

Using chips with a power demand greater than what the board is rated for, or overclocking, voids any warranty and places the responsibility upon the user.

In s939, VRM throttling was entirely absent i believe. I think same goes for at least cheap ASrock FM2 boards. Frankly, many FM2 boards from Asrock and MSI are junk.




http://www.overclock.net/t/946407/amd-motherboards-vrm-info-database

Fire isn't impossible. But watching it on MSI is more often and in easier way to happen.
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That's not entirely accurate , I know of cases involving Asrock ( fm2) and Gigabyte motherboards ( socket 939) that failed resulting in flames.

Using chips with a power demand greater than what the board is rated for, or overclocking, voids any warranty and places the responsibility upon the user.

In s939, VRM throttling was entirely absent i believe. I think same goes for at least cheap ASrock FM2 boards. Frankly, many FM2 boards from Asrock and MSI are junk.




http://www.overclock.net/t/946407/amd-motherboards-vrm-info-database

Fire isn't impossible. But watching it on MSI is more often and in easier way to happen.

I wonder what the settings were on the board in the video, hpc and cpu phase control in particular.

I've built over a 100 rigs with msi boards for other people and I've pushed the beans out of a couple dozen 4+1 phase MSI boards that I personally own. The only hardware failures I've had have been a broken trace in the socket area from supporting a huge air cooler (790FX GD-70) an onboard NIC/sound chip caused by a lightning strike ( k8 neo 4) and leaking caps on a 9 year old K7delta islr- which I repaired and it lives to this day.
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Good question. What were the settings? It looks like they were expecting that board to burn which looks like they had it set to over 1.5 vcore.
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Look at it from another point of view. It shows what would happen, if you tried to overclock an 8320 to 4.7Ghz. The problem is what miklkit said. Any motherboard can fail. But only with MSI you have high chances to actually set your rig on fire. It shows also, how bad the VRM throttling implementation of the motherboard is. Because it just went on fire within seconds. Where's the throttling down to 1400Mhz that a normal motherboard would do?


Here's an old thread, where unaware user, put FX-9590 on 4+1 Asrock 970 Extreme3 (unsupported on BIOS).

http://www.overclock.net/t/1476129/help-with-amd-fx9590-4-7ghz-and-asrock-extreme-3-r2-0-mobo

No fire.

There was yet another thread, where i had posted myself, warning the user that the board would die, but i can't find it. It was again Asrock 970 extreme3 with FX-9XXX. The user was merrily running but had FPS dips in BF4. Everyone warned him that the motherboard wasn't even supporting the CPU, the dips were the result of contant throttling. The board eventually died after more days of abuse, but again, no fire. Because even thought the Asrock Extreme3 is cheaper than the Krait, the mosfets come from a reputable brand (NXP) and Asrock has quite good VRM throttling implementation. The motherboard fought for days for its life, giving ample warning to the user, before finally capitulating to endless abuse.
I didn't know if they posted it as a joke or if they were noobs. Language barrier in the video. biggrin.gif
    
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Anyone have advice on overclocking on this board? I can't get 4300mhz stable on my 8320 at 1.44v.

More details here http://www.overclock.net/t/1348623/amd-bulldozer-and-piledriver-overclocking-guide-asus-motherboard/3510#post_24460802
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