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I looked at Avago sensor specifications for g400s(s3095) and g600(s9808). Something I noticed is a reference to "typical perpendicular deviation" and another is the cpi setting in which the aforementioned mouse sensors were tested. They had a common test medium called 'photo paper' which had the lowest rate of axis deviation and I thought it cannot be bad to test their sensors using this common element.
Also, a laser sensor with 8200 cpi range, why could it be tested at 1600 cpi inspite of the same test being conducted for the optical mouse sensor at full cpi(3500 cpi since the sensor datasheet is for s3090). I think this is because the laser mouse has a lower signal to noise ratio.
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Originally Posted by agsz View Post

Where did you hear that? Pretty sure the only difference in the BenQ mice is the scrollwheel.

I didn't hear anything from benq/zowie side. Was based off user input from a few steam friends who got the new benq ones and used to own the old ones. Did read somewhere reliable that the newer 3310s have a lot less smoothing than the original ones which had around 4ms delay. Just wanted to know exactly how much of a difference (if any) was there.
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I didn't hear anything from benq/zowie side. Was based off user input from a few steam friends who got the new benq ones and used to own the old ones. Did read somewhere reliable that the newer 3310s have a lot less smoothing than the original ones which had around 4ms delay. Just wanted to know exactly how much of a difference (if any) was there.
That's interesting. @qsxcv would be the right person to test this.
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i don't own any zowie mice
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newer 3310s have a lot less smoothing
evidence?
i'm not believing what anyone says concerning this stuff without seeing some sort of evidence
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My Ventus R, Sica, RAT Pro S all had the same delay versus the G303. Those were all "recent" releases. Personally I'm skeptical that anything has changed.
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Taken from the BenQ ZA12 (red logo, blue Huanos)
Code:
0.244396875000000,3,0x93,0xFF
0.244416875000000,3,0x18,0xFF
0.244675125000000,4,0xE2,0xFF
0.244747125000000,4,0x03,0xFF
-> 0.244805125000000,4,0x0E,0xFF
0.244877250000000,4,0x90,0xFF

Normal startup procedure, 0x0E (the CPI bug) SROM. Thus, no change since pre-BenQ and someone has had some nice placebo.

EDIT: Clarified the post a bit.
Edited by trism - 9/26/16 at 1:09am
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I'm starting to wonder what if g400s malfunctions... There isn't a worthy replacement up till 4x the capital investment. Now, that is insane. You would think companies would have caught up with mass market demands by now...
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Quote:
Originally Posted by trism View Post

Taken from the BenQ ZA12 (red logo, blue Huanos)
Code:
0.244396875000000,3,0x93,0xFF
0.244416875000000,3,0x18,0xFF
0.244675125000000,4,0xE2,0xFF
0.244747125000000,4,0x03,0xFF
-> 0.244805125000000,4,0x0E,0xFF
0.244877250000000,4,0x90,0xFF

Normal startup procedure, 0x0E (the CPI bug SROM). Thus, no fix and someone's had some nice placebo.

Thanks for clearing that up
post #699 of 700
Quote:
Originally Posted by trism View Post

Taken from the BenQ ZA12 (red logo, blue Huanos)
Code:
0.244396875000000,3,0x93,0xFF
0.244416875000000,3,0x18,0xFF
0.244675125000000,4,0xE2,0xFF
0.244747125000000,4,0x03,0xFF
-> 0.244805125000000,4,0x0E,0xFF
0.244877250000000,4,0x90,0xFF

Normal startup procedure, 0x0E (the CPI bug SROM). Thus, no fix and someone's had some nice placebo.
What does the CPI bug do exactly? I've always wondered why people rave about Zowie's 3310, when the FinalMouse 2016 Ergo & SteelSeries Rival (original) felt much better to me than my Zowie BenQ EC1-A.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by agsz View Post

What does the CPI bug do exactly? I've always wondered why people rave about Zowie's 3310, when the FinalMouse 2016 Ergo & SteelSeries Rival (original) felt much better to me than my Zowie BenQ EC1-A.

Nothing for Zowies. They use the lift-off calibration "system" with the predefined LoD -settings. The CPI bug only happens if you don't set any value in the lift off calibration register with the 0x0E version of the SROM.

The bug basically adds ~10-15% more CPI when you lift the mouse up from the pad. That higher CPI stays until you reset the CPI back. FM had this problem with their first 2015's but they fixed it via a firmware update. KPM had it as well but you could just use the DCU which prevented the bug from happening (basically the same as using Zowies predefined surface settings). Rival and FM both use a newer version of the SROM compared to Zowie.
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