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Insan1tyOne so in the end of the day what are the benefits of flashing 290X Reference for example? I have mine WaterCooled.
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Insan1tyOne so in the end of the day what are the benefits of flashing 290X Reference for example? I have mine WaterCooled.

Most users have reported seeing lower temperatures and lower idle voltages. Those two facts are a given because they are programmed into the BIOS. Moving forward, various tests by the users here have also shown that these BIOS files can also offer increased over-clocking ability and higher bench-marking scores. Beyond that I am not so sure what else these BIOS files have to offer. A small handful of people have reported that these BIOS files make their cards more "stable" but that has yet to be proven via. any form of testing.

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Hello Everyone,

It seems that we have some confusion about what BIOS files contain what modifications. I will try and make it very apparent below by breaking down the individual folders and files:

1.) R9 290 Folder: Use this folder if you have an R9 290 card that you wish to flash.

R9 290 BIOS FOLDERS (Click to show)

MEM MOD -- ELPIDA (Click to show)
[*] MEM MOD -- ELPIDA: Use this folder if your R9 290 card has ELPIDA memory modules.

- "290_ELPIDA_MOD_V1.7" --> This BIOS contains MODDED memory timings for ELPIDA memory, a MODDED voltage table and MODDED idle voltages taken from an R9 390X BIOS.

- "290_ELPIDA_STOCK_V1.7" --> This BIOS contains MODDED memory timings for ELPIDA memory, and the STOCK voltage table and idle voltages from a REFERENCE R9 290 BIOS.

MEM MOD -- HYNIX (Click to show)
[*] MEM MOD -- HYNIX: Use this folder if your R9 290 card has HYNIX memory modules.

- "290_HYNIX_MOD_V1.7" --> This BIOS contains MODDED memory timings for HYNIX memory, a MODDED voltage table and MODDED idle voltages taken from an R9 390X BIOS.

- "290_HYNIX_STOCK_V1.7" --> This BIOS contains MODDED memory timings for HYNIX memory, and the STOCK voltage table and idle voltages from a REFERENCE R9 290 BIOS.

MEM MOD -- SAMSUNG (Click to show)
[*] MEM MOD -- SAMSUNG: Use this folder if your R9 290 card has SAMSUNG memory modules.

- "290_SAMSUNG_MOD_V1.7" --> This BIOS contains MODDED memory timings for SAMSUNG memory, a MODDED voltage table and MODDED idle voltages taken from an R9 390X BIOS.

- "290_SAMSUNG_STOCK_V1.7" --> This BIOS contains MODDED memory timings for SAMSUNG memory, and the STOCK voltage table and idle voltages from a REFERENCE R9 290 BIOS.

NO MOD (Click to show)
[*] NO MOD

- "290_NOMOD_MOD_V1.7" --> This BIOS contains the DEFAULT memory straps / timings that came with the original R9 390X BIOS, a MODDED voltage table and MODDED idle voltages taken from an R9 390X BIOS.

- "290_NOMOD_STOCK_V1.7" --> This BIOS contains the DEFAULT memory straps / timings that came with the original R9 390X BIOS, and the STOCK voltage table and idle voltages from a REFERENCE R9 290 BIOS.


2.)R9 290X Folder: Use this folder if you have an R9 290X card that you wish to flash.

R9 290X BIOS FOLDERS (Click to show)

MEM MOD -- ELPIDA (Click to show)
[*] MEM MOD -- ELPIDA: Use this folder if your R9 290X card has ELPIDA memory modules.

- "290X_ELPIDA_MOD_V1.7" --> This BIOS contains MODDED memory timings for ELPIDA memory, a MODDED voltage table and MODDED idle voltages taken from an R9 390X BIOS.

- "290X_ELPIDA_STOCK_V1.7" --> This BIOS contains MODDED memory timings for ELPIDA memory, and the STOCK voltage table and idle voltages from a REFERENCE R9 290X BIOS.

MEM MOD -- HYNIX (Click to show)
[*] MEM MOD -- HYNIX: Use this folder if your R9 290X card has HYNIX memory modules.

- "290X_HYNIX_MOD_V1.7" --> This BIOS contains MODDED memory timings for HYNIX memory, a MODDED voltage table and MODDED idle voltages taken from an R9 390X BIOS.

- "290X_HYNIX_STOCK_V1.7" --> This BIOS contains MODDED memory timings for HYNIX memory, and the STOCK voltage table and idle voltages from a REFERENCE R9 290X BIOS.

MEM MOD -- LIGHTNING (Click to show)
[*] MEM MOD -- LIGHTNING: ONLY use this folder if your R9 290X card is an MSI R9 290X Lightning model.

- "290X_LIGHTNING_MOD_V1.7" --> This BIOS contains MODDED memory timings for SAMSUNG memory, a MODDED voltage table and MODDED idle voltages taken from an R9 390X BIOS.

- "290X_LIGHTNING_STOCK_V1.7" --> This BIOS contains MODDED memory timings for SAMSUNG memory, and the STOCK voltage table and idle voltages from the latest MSI R9 290X LIGHTNING BIOS.

MEM MOD -- SAMSUNG (Click to show)
[*] MEM MOD -- SAMSUNG: Use this folder if your R9 290X card has SAMSUNG memory modules.

- "290X_SAMSUNG_MOD_V1.7" --> This BIOS contains MODDED memory timings for SAMSUNG memory, a MODDED voltage table and MODDED idle voltages taken from an R9 390X BIOS.

- "290X_SAMSUNG_STOCK_V1.7" --> This BIOS contains MODDED memory timings for SAMSUNG memory, and the STOCK voltage table and idle voltages from a REFERENCE R9 290X BIOS.

NO MOD (Click to show)
[*] NO MOD

- "290X_NOMOD_MOD_V1.7" --> This BIOS contains the DEFAULT memory straps / timings that came with the original R9 390X BIOS, a MODDED voltage table and MODDED idle voltages taken from an R9 390X BIOS.

- "290X_NOMOD_STOCK_V1.7" --> This BIOS contains the DEFAULT memory straps / timings that came with the original R9 390X BIOS, and the STOCK voltage table and idle voltages from a REFERENCE R9 290X BIOS.

Please Note:

  • Every BIOS file in my package is based off of the original "leaked" XFX R9 390X BIOS file. This means that, even with altered voltage tables / idle voltages, the final load voltages and temperatures WILL BE DIFFERENT than your original R9 290 / 290X BIOS file that you used to have.
  • There is not / probably will not be a revision of these BIOS files based off of an R9 390 BIOS file created by me. If you would like to create one yourself and share it with me / the community though, then by all means, please do! I would also be more than happy to post it in the OP of this thread with your permission.
  • In the end, these BIOS files were mostly created just for fun, and it is a COMPLETE crap-shoot whether or not they will work / be stable on your card even if it is a reference model. These BIOS files ARE NOT guaranteed to work on any card but do work with a lot. If they work for you and you can use them 24/7 then great, if they don't, then don't fret over it too much. There are many other BIOS files out there for you to try as well!

Thank you all! I hope my post was very informative and could help you figure out which BIOS file would work best for your card. If you have any more questions / suggestions please let me know and I can either update this post or answer them for you.

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Thanks for all of this information. But I have a suggestion couldn't you add in the 290 voltage table (not the one in hawaii bios reader,but the one in the bios) and the 290 timings in the no mod stock? In my opinion that would be closer to a 290. I could help you with that if so. Thanks again for making this interesting thread.
All I know both stock 290's & 390's BIOS voltage table contain EVV voltages (dpm 1 to 7) except the idle voltage (dpm 0) which is fixed. Your modded BIOSes have fixed voltages from dpm 1 to 7. Is this what you mean? If yes, setting them to fixed voltages will be bad idea because it may only work with some cards. IMO of course.
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Hi,

When I originally read this I thought that the modified ram timings meant that someone had taken the 290X bios modified it to work with 4GB of ram and then on top of that modified it to work better for the 290X Hynix or Elipida ram. Then reading a few posts up it seems that the ram timings are timings from the 390X...

Is that the case?

Doesn't anyone remember people ruining their 6950 from running an unmodified 6970 bios simply because the ram timings where different and so it slowly destroyed the cards. Cards would run fine but slowly start having issues. The bios change was to get the extra shaders.

So what are these timings from?

Would could we ask about possibly getting the 290X factory timings put into these BIOSes?

It is totally possible that the faster benchmarks are from running tighter timings and although you might not expect that to ruin the ram because it wouldn't ruin the ram on a PC that is apparently not the case for GDDR5 as like I just mentioned it has ruined 6950s... it was completely possible to instead modify a 6950 bios to get the shaders and leave the timings alone BUT this time around thats not going to be the case. TOO MUCH is different in the 390 bios for anyone to have a CLUE what AMD really did. So IMO the absolute best bet is to change as much as possible to match up with the stock 290X bios. Timings, voltages, GPU speeds, even idle speeds and voltages...

If AMD actually improved this bios in truly special ways then we shouldn't need to keep voltages, timings and idle things from the 390 bios... those shouldn't be what make the BIOS BETTER since those are things that are simple enough to change with the current bios editors anyways.

IF there are any actual bios improvements by AMD that matter to us they are not found in those settings.

ALSO

You asked about if anyone had a guide to modifying these BIOSes... It seams one certainly does exist.

Right now I am dealing with both of my grandparents being recently diagnosed with cancer and I have to drive them back and fourth between appointments and procedures so this is not something I have time to read over and experiment with. BUT THIS IS THE LINK

http://www.overclock.net/t/1561372/hawaii-bios-editing-290-290x-295x2-390-390x/0_20

From what little I have read through this is NOT hard at all BUT you need to pay attention!!! Especially with the voltages because verbally the rules that they explain contradict each other on accident (just not written well ie they knew what they where talking about but wrote it down wrong).

This is something where if your not very very careful about getting stuff in the correct spot and the correct way that you can get lost and confused very quickly and unfortunately I am quite certain that a mistake or two in these bioses is not going to cause the card to stop working... instead it will just cause very hard to diagnose tiny little issues or performance problems since much of this stuff is dynamic.


IF you have the time to set up the virtual machine and play around with this and possibly collaborate with others I would highly recommend that you work on 2 bioses.

One with the stock IDLE and LOAD speeds and voltages as well as stock memory timings from a reference 290X as well as one that has enhanced voltages that would allow people to overclock there GPUs simply by bumping up the speed and power target in CCC and not have to mess with voltage from MSI Afterburner.

I have not had time to really read through and debate with the guys who devised the memory timings but I just don't see timings as something safe to play with. To my knowledge AMD never made different bioses for elpida and hynix ram and given the issues that occured in the 6950s i don't feel it is safe to mess with the timings UNLESS someone knows what it was about those timings that destroyed the cards and knows how to avoid that issue with the 290X mods.
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@givmedew The 'mod' bios is a bios that has improved 290 timings and then there's the 'stock' bios which has stock 390 timings. Insan1ty went through all of these bioses on the previous page. I'm going to mod in the 290 timings and voltage table into the 390 bios and give them to insan1ty. I have already done it and can confirm that it works great as a middle ground. You have some interesting fact about 6950 - 6970's, some we might need to take in consideration. The 390 bios with the 290 timings and voltage table, still outperforms the stock 290 and runs cooler.
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Can anyone offer some advice?

I can't seem to flash my second card, using WInflash, it gives me a subsystem ID error.

Then when I force the flash, I get Error 0FL01? Quite frustrating frown.gif Both cards are reference and should be fine.
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Can anyone offer some advice?

I can't seem to flash my second card, using WInflash, it gives me a subsystem ID error.

Then when I force the flash, I get Error 0FL01? Quite frustrating frown.gif Both cards are reference and should be fine.

Dont use Winflash.
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Comparison between 390_NOMOD_STOCK bios vs Sapphire Tri-x bios vs 390 bios w/ 290timings.
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/5841423/fs/5841262/fs/5840024
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Comparison between 390_NOMOD_STOCK bios vs Sapphire Tri-x bios vs 390 bios w/ 290timings.
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/5841423/fs/5841262/fs/5840024


So the 290 timings bios has the stock voltage tables and ram timings as the saphire tri-x bios?


If so it looks like that might be the way to go. Are you running that bios right now fizzy? How's it looking temperature wise and overclocking ability? Can you overclock the same as stock or higher?
   
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So the 290 timings bios has the stock voltage tables and ram timings as the saphire tri-x bios?


If so it looks like that might be the way to go. Are you running that bios right now fizzy? How's it looking temperature wise and overclocking ability? Can you overclock the same as stock or higher?
I will run some more test on that bios. Will post more info soon.
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