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Originally Posted by SpeedyVT View Post

In the consumer world it doesn't matter because consumers don't overclock. Unless they bought a highly stock clocked card. Only us enthusiast even tempt such stuff.

GCN 1.1's fault was the temperature wall. GCN 1.2 should've had a slight better overclock, especially from the R9 285 OCs I've seen.

AMD's 1.3 needs a die shrink, a remap for efficiency. Either tinier GCN cores or larger clusters. Although it's computational power totally wreck NVidia. I wonder why no one exploits this? I agree with the need of more supporting cores like more rops, especially with a larger build.

GCN is the cheapest way to get DX12 ready and not just some emulated crap version.

There's no sense talking about what a consumer is going to do on an enthusiast forum. We both know what enthusiasts are going to do and that is OC the cards.

Also, the cheapest 390X is only $30 cheaper than the cheapest GTX 980 right now.

After you factor in OC's the 980 has a significant lead. They don't compare unless you leave things stock.
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Yes, you can't take the GTX980 and the Fury as 4K cards as they don't have enough horsepower. They are 1080p/1440p cards unless we are talking Crossfire/SLI.

980 isn't. Fury is close enough.
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TPU's 4k numbers vs. 980. Pretty much a no-brainer to get Fury even if it'd get only a 10% max oc. It's pretty much beyond a 980's reach with ~30% advantage OCed which even heavily overclocked 980s will have trouble to match in theory much less in practice.

And remember that 15.7 didn't improve the performance, so there is still fuel in the tank left for AMD to use. thumb.gif
    
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Originally Posted by gamervivek View Post

980 isn't. Fury is close enough.
You forget that people here have needlessly high expectations and wouldn't consider a card suitable for 4K unless it could run most games at maximum settings with "playable" frame rates (60-120+ depending on who you ask).
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There's no sense talking about what a consumer is going to do on an enthusiast forum. We both know what enthusiasts are going to do and that is OC the cards.

Also, the cheapest 390X is only $30 cheaper than the cheapest GTX 980 right now.

After you factor in OC's the 980 has a significant lead. They don't compare unless you leave things stock.

We should all be considerate of the consumer, they have the great influence over us the minority. If AMD, Intel and NVidia stop seeing the need to sell a product better they'll just sell all of the same level of crap for more.

I'm going to wait and see what happens with this HBM thing, like I said it's awful wide but it's not got to frequency to make up for it's width. May also be a capacity issue.

Capacity, width and rate. I'm not going to over or underestimate. I'm just happy I got my GPU for 250.
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There's no sense talking about what a consumer is going to do on an enthusiast forum. We both know what enthusiasts are going to do and that is OC the cards.

Also, the cheapest 390X is only $30 cheaper than the cheapest GTX 980 right now.

After you factor in OC's the 980 has a significant lead. They don't compare unless you leave things stock.

Care to explain the first sentence? Sure this is an OC forum but in the real world for companies like AMD, Nvidia, Intel it works this way : OEM's-Your regular consumer-Enthusiasts who OC. Not to mention the business class which comes infront of everything.
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Care to explain the first sentence? Sure this is an OC forum but in the real world for companies like AMD, Nvidia, Intel it works this way : OEM's-Your regular consumer-Enthusiasts who OC. Not to mention the business class which comes infront of everything.

It's based on what I said to him earlier. I was trying to point out that there is no sense in comparing the 390X to a stock 980 when the 390X is essentially a OC'd 290X and the 980 has a lot headroom. After OC's are concerned the 980 has a significant lead vs the 390X or 290X or whatever.

His response was to make that point invalid because general consumers don't OC, but obviously my remark is not towards the general consumer.
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It's based on what I said to him earlier. I was trying to point out that there is no sense in comparing the 390X to a stock 980 when the 390X is essentially a OC'd 290X and the 980 has a lot headroom. After OC's are concerned the 980 has a significant lead vs the 390X or 290X or whatever.

His response was to make that point invalid because general consumers don't OC, but obviously my remark is not towards the general consumer.

To be fair, you and him both are right. 390X is an OC'd 290X but then again for your regular person on the street it's just an 390X and has no clue it's an rebrand from something. When they look up reviews most just look at charts and don't read the whole thing anyway.

But you are right, even tho we are an minority we should still factor in everything thumb.gif
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Why would Nvidia do the developers job? You are literally asking for that.

What it boils down to; all your complaints are invalid, and are shortcoming of the developer. Not some evil Nvidia plot to hurt AMD.

I am not asking for anyone to do anything, first and foremost.

If you want to argue for the responsibility with regard to poor AMD performance when enabling Nvidia proprietary features lying with game devs, then feel free to do so. But considering the practical hurdles with that, that strikes me as unreasonable to seek blame only with the Devs.

Ultimately, it's Nvidia's code and asking devs to know it in and out is not reasonable, assuming they get the source code to begin with which is not even a given. I just don't see much responsibility here with the devs. Aside from actually accepting any Nvidia proprietary code in their game, that the party responsible for optimizing cannot access. (AMD) It's not a game dev's job to optimize low level code path for some visual effect.

Now maybe please stop framing my argument as an 'nvidia is evil' sort of thing. Nvidia is doing a good job pushing for their product, by directly or indirectly creating situations where their hardware outshines AMD's. I cannot understand how this would make em evil.

As for the argument at hand, 'game devs aren't going far enough in optimizing Nvidia sponsored code for AMD hardware, and it just works™ on Nvidia, but not that great on AMD' is definitely an argument one can make in favor of blaming the devs. I'd just not exclusively blame the devs.

There's the option of disabling the feature outright, but choice is preferred. It's just disingenuous of Nvidia to provide the feature on AMD hardware at all, without the disclaimer that it is not optimized, that it is not in a fully functional state, with no way for AMD to fix it. Reviewers could then be more critically aware, but you'd rather blame devs/reviewers exlusively for their ignorance, rather than blaming Nvidia at least a little bit, for relying on said ignorance?

I'm compelled to blame people for what they do willingly, not for what they neglect to do due to their shortcomings. (though there still is some blame to be had in that.)

Wasn't there something you had to say with regard to blaming people for things they didn't do? c;

edit: streamlined
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I am not asking for anyone to do anything, first and foremost.

If you want to argue for the responsibility with regard to poor AMD performance when enabling Nvidia proprietary features lying with game devs, then feel free to do so. But considering the practical hurdles with that, that strikes me as unreasonable.

Ultimately, it's Nvidia's code and asking devs to know it in and out is not reasonable, assuming they get the source code to begin with which is not even a given. I just don't see much responsibility here with the devs. Aside from actually accepting any Nvidia proprietary code in their game, that the party responsible for optimizing cannot access. (AMD) It's not a game dev's job to optimize low level code path for some visual effect.

What this boils down to, is that I am right and you are wrong, and if you cannot agree to that, I will agree to disagree here. ( just had to give one of these way too one sided closing lines a shot, you seem fond of em = D )

P.S. please stop framing my argument as an 'nvidia is evil' sort of thing. Nvidia is doing a good job pushing for their product, by directly or indirectly creating situations where their hardware outshines AMD's. I cannot understand how this would make em evil.

But yeah, 'game devs aren't going far enough in optimizing Nvidia sponsored code for AMD hardware, and it just works™ on Nvidia, but not that great on AMD' is definitely an argument one can make in favor of blaming the devs. I'd just not exclusively blame the devs.

(also disabling the feature outright is not the dev's job at all. Choice is preferred. It's just disingenuous of Nvidia to provide the feature on AMD hardware at all, without the disclaimer that it is not optimized, that it is not in a fully functional state. Reviewers could then be more critically aware, but you'd rather blame em exlusively for their ignorance, rather than blaming Nvidia at least a little bit, who's relying on said ignorance?)

Now wasn't there something you had to say about blaming people for things they didn't do? c;

I can't help but applaud the companies that remain unmoved to use either companies technology and work to create their own unique exploitation of potential.
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I can't help but applaud the companies that remain unmoved to use either companies technology and work to create their own unique exploitation of potential.
'Unique exploitation of potential' is not good for PC master race. We need everything opened and every hardware should be utilized to their best.
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