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Fire Strike has some serious issues.

Even the latest builds of 3dmark haven't fixed this issue...

There's a Windows platform update for DirectX in Windows 7 that, if you install it, causes the FPS in Graphics Test 2 to absolutely tank. It is Windows Update KB2670838. My performance in all other benchmarks and games is the same, but for some reason it just affects Graphics Test 2 of Fire Strike.

I obviously don't have this update on my main machine, but my fiance's computer (that hardly gets used) may have this update installed. I'll have to check and see if it does, and possibly rerun the bench. I think she used the SP1 install disc and I don't know if this update is integrated or not, so it might not be removable.

I think this is probably the problem- if you look at the difference between our two Fire Strike scores side by side, they are virtually identical except for my graphics test 2 having significantly lower fps (~14% lower).

If you Google that update, you'll see that other people are having tons of issues with it, even unrelated to benching or gaming. (This is actually an old update and old news, though.)

Also, I don't know if this will work anymore with newer Catalyst drivers, but, jason you need to take a look at this. http://www.overclock.net/t/1387430/amd-how-to-change-the-power-control-limit-from-20-to-50

You guys should try that mod to raise your power limit from 20% to 50% through PP_PhmSoftPowerPlayTable.

I used to use that in combination with a modded Trixx that allows 1.381v to OC my 7970.
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Fire Strike has some serious issues.

Even the latest builds of 3dmark haven't fixed this issue...

There's a Windows platform update for DirectX in Windows 7 that, if you install it, causes the FPS in Graphics Test 2 to absolutely tank. It is Windows Update KB2670838. My performance in all other benchmarks and games is the same, but for some reason it just affects Graphics Test 2 of Fire Strike.

I obviously don't have this update on my main machine, but my fiance's computer (that hardly gets used) may have this update installed. I'll have to check and see if it does, and possibly rerun the bench. I think she used the SP1 install disc and I don't know if this update is integrated or not, so it might not be removable.

I think this is probably the problem- if you look at the difference between our two Fire Strike scores side by side, they are virtually identical except for my graphics test 2 having significantly lower fps (~14% lower).

If you Google that update, you'll see that other people are having tons of issues with it, even unrelated to benching or gaming. (This is actually an old update and old news, though.)

Also, I don't know if this will work anymore with newer Catalyst drivers, but, jason you need to take a look at this. http://www.overclock.net/t/1387430/amd-how-to-change-the-power-control-limit-from-20-to-50

You guys should try that mod to raise your power limit from 20% to 50% through PP_PhmSoftPowerPlayTable.

I used to use that in combination with a modded Trixx that allows 1.381v to OC my 7970.

I think we are going to have to use in game benchmarks tongue.gif
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Um, no, because there's nothing wrong with the benches that have been posted so far and I'm not doing that. I already took plenty of time out of my day that I could have spent with family, or spent gaming, to run these benches. I'm not running any more.

My 3dmark11 and Heavensward benches are totally in line with the performance of a 7970 relative to a 7950 at the same clocks. Fire Strike is not because Microsoft, Fire Strike itself and Futuremark sucks. (This is why your AMD processors suck in these benches compared to Intel. Thank Futuremark, and thank the Intel compilers.)

You should keep in mind, this machine is never used anymore, it has 1333mhz RAM (one stick- single channel) and it's also on 14.9 drivers.

I'm not going to even attempt to run gaming benches with all the different variables involved in the game settings, tessellation in drivers, resolutions and so on.

The reason we (and hwbot) use 3dmark, Valley, and so on is because 1) resolution doesn't matter (3dmark11 AND Fire Strike/3dmark13 will run the bench at a standard res and then downsample it if necessary to fit in the monitors native resolution) and 2) settings don't matter, the settings for Fire Strike are ALWAYS the same regardless of what machine it's run on. I am not even going to attempt to coordinate you guys to run in-game benchmarks with everyone running the same presets.

Additionally, as I said earlier, that machine only has a 1600x1080 monitor, which means I cannot run game benchmarks at 1080p, thus invaliding my ability to contribute. I refuse to hook a different monitor up to it.

Now, where's your 3dmark11 and Fire Strike at the settings I asked for? wink.gif
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Um, no, because there's nothing wrong with the benches that have been posted so far and I'm not doing that. I already took plenty of time out of my day that I could have spent with family, or spent gaming, to run these benches. I'm not running any more.

My 3dmark11 and Heavensward benches are totally in line with the performance of a 7970 relative to a 7950 at the same clocks. Fire Strike is not because Microsoft, Fire Strike itself and Futuremark sucks. (This is why your AMD processors suck in these benches compared to Intel. Thank Futuremark, and thank the Intel compilers.)

You should keep in mind, this machine is never used anymore, it has 1333mhz RAM (one stick- single channel) and it's also on 14.9 drivers.

I'm not going to even attempt to run gaming benches with all the different variables involved in the game settings, tessellation in drivers, resolutions and so on.

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Additionally, as I said earlier, that machine only has a 1600x1080 monitor, which means I cannot run game benchmarks at 1080p, thus invaliding my ability to contribute. I refuse to hook a different monitor up to it.

Now, where's your 3dmark11 and Fire Strike at the settings I asked for? wink.gif

Will be posting them in a short while. I have to switch out the APU for the FX 8350. In all my testing I know that in synthetic benchmarks the GPU Score does not change depending upon the CPU but I will be posting with the FX 8350 at stock.

My memory won't do 1600Mhz. This is 3D Mark 11 at 1100/1400Mhz with the FX 8350 that I ran a couple of days ago. I will be posting new ones as well. But this will give you a good idea.
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/10030959
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Jeez, switching out processors just for this? I guess I shouldn't complain so much.

The other problem with running game benchmarks is that people might not have the game, might not like the game and be willing to buy it (because they'll never play it), and might not be willing to "obtain" it through alternative means. Moreover, getting a game (or multiple games) and setting them up takes up a lot of bandwidth, as the games are large downloads, as well as consumes a lot of HDD space. The hard drive in my backup machine (since I never use it/upgrade it) is only 400GB or so and I don't want to fill that up with games. In comparison, 3dmark11 is like 500mb, Fire Strike is 2GB, Valley is 500mb, and FFXIV Heavensward is 2GB. That's a lot easier to deal with than 25GB game installs.

Additionally, I re-ran Fire Strike on the 7970 at the same settings and got 7039 (compared to 6746) after upgrading to 15.7 drivers. I'm not posting the screenshot because I'm too lazy, and I want to go watch anime before it gets too late (it's almost 3AM). I will say, one of the reasons I use AMD graphics cards is the long term support, and constant performance improvements they bring through drivers. I highly doubt people with 780s are seeing this kind of performance jump 3 years later just through drivers. (Though I could be wrong.)

The point of this thread, or at least what I assumed was the point of this thread, was to find out if the newer Tonga R9 285 is more powerful than legacy Tahiti cards. If that's the case, we've already established that it pretty much is, although only slightly. Your 3dmark11 at 1100/1400mhz is close enough because I seriously doubt that running the memory 200mhz higher will make any difference. If it does, it will be negligible. The 7950 got 9164, my 7970 got 9627 and your R9 285 got 9977 (you could probably break 10k with a RAM OC). That means, the 7970 is 4.9% more powerful than the 7950. In turn, the R9 285 is 3.6% more powerful than the 7970, and 8.5% more powerful than the 7950. They're all within 10% of each other, at least in 3dmark11.

I would suggest you guys also try running Unigine Valley Extreme HD preset at the same clocks and compare those, to get more of an idea, since it isn't a Futuremark bench.

Honestly, the cards are so close that I don't think it matters which one you have, though I think I would lean towards a 280X or 7970 over the R9 285, simply for 3GB RAM. When it comes down to it though, the new R9 380 sounds fantastic, a Tonga core with 4GB RAM. This one looks fantastic to me. If I were to recommend any of these cards at this point to somebody, or recommend a card in that price bracket ($200-250) I think it'd have to be the 4GB R9 380.
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True. Looks like these cards are very similar in terms of performance. Its mainly the 2GB frame buffer which limits it but given the fact that at 1440p you wont be really able to enable those settings which will actually use more than 2GB vRam. Switching out processors is pretty much what I do quite a lot and more so now considering I'm in the middle of a review. Thanks a lot though for all the benches smile.gif
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you could do runs of valley or heaven at extreme hd and i can do the same clocks as you


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you could do runs of valley or heaven at extreme hd and i can do the same clocks as you


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Heaven 4.0 Extreme HD preset full screen at 1100/1500Mhz. You can do one with a max oc as well. Is this with a 7950 that you will be doing it with?
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you could do runs of valley or heaven at extreme hd and i can do the same clocks as you


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Heaven 4.0 Extreme HD preset full screen at 1100/1500Mhz. You can do one with a max oc as well. Is this with a 7950 that you will be doing it with?

yeah i be doing it with a 7950 and i need to disable xfire 1st and do you want it in 1080 or the res they put


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yeah i be doing it with a 7950 and i need to disable xfire 1st and do you want it in 1080 or the res they put


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We can keep it to the resolution that its set to by the preset itself.
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