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ASUS will replace both the CPU and mobo if it happens as they request both be RMA'd together to analyse the issue. So don't worry about the OV issue; your money is safe with ASUS. I'd suggest buying the Intel Tuning Plan if you're going to be doing heavy overclocking.

That is only useful if you have another mobo/cpu handy. Going a few weeks waiting on an RMA from a mobo manufacturer, even if you dont get the runaround, isnt a very good solution for some, no interest in being down that long. I wouldnt touch asus until they could duplicate and resolve whatever issue they are having.
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That is only useful if you have another mobo/cpu handy. Going a few weeks waiting on an RMA from a mobo manufacturer, even if you dont get the runaround, isnt a very good solution for some, no interest in being down that long. I wouldnt touch asus until they could duplicate and resolve whatever issue they are having.

I agree, being down for a couple weeks would really be unacceptable, even though I personally would trust Asus would do the right thing. If the problem is the same one that I've read a bit about then I've only read about it happening with the 5960x, Asus x99 motherboards, and possibly due to Ram XMP profiles, but also with the CPU's on-board voltage regulators, and the motherboard's northbridge?

I haven't caught up on any recent updates so there could be more specifics, that's just what I read a lot of users experiencing a couple weeks ago. If I'm wrong by all means somebody please correct me. I was really considering Asus as well for my motherboard, but I went MSI instead. (found a great deal)

To be fair though it seems like almost every X99 motherboard has some weird reviews almost anywhere you look. My point of view was reinforced with my new PC case to trust your gut and take reviews with a grain of salt. There are a lot of us having no problems with every different brand/model of x99 motherboard, so you really just kind of have to make the decision and hope for the best, haha.
Edited by gamertaboo - 9/26/15 at 7:53pm
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Depends on the level of stability you are looking for.

4.2-4.3GHz is the limit if you want to be able to torture your chip with the heaviest arbitrary loads possible and not risk drastically reduced processor life, but 4.5GHz is not uncommon for general use stability.
Not a Haswell-E, but this was my best i7 920, which was soldered, that I delidded several years back with about twenty-five sheets of sandpaper: http://www.overclock.net/image/id/9100030

Chip worked fine for quite a while after the delid.

If your triceps or elbows aren't up to manually sanding through 2.5mm of copper, it's also perfectly possible to cut the adhesive, then heat the IHS till it falls off of a soldered CPU.

I've always wanted to try de-lidding my CPU, but I'm just too nervous to do it with a new one that I buy. If I didn't part out and sell my old rig before upgrading every time then I would maybe do it on my old CPU and see how crazy I could go.

I have to give it to you man, sanding through 2.5mm of copper would have been quite a chore. I would most likely give up and use a pneumatic sander or electric, and then destroy the chip lol.
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That is only useful if you have another mobo/cpu handy. Going a few weeks waiting on an RMA from a mobo manufacturer, even if you dont get the runaround, isnt a very good solution for some, no interest in being down that long. I wouldnt touch asus until they could duplicate and resolve whatever issue they are having.

I have a mobile phone and a laptop prepared for my work. In all cases, playing around with extreme hardware is always a risk. If you wanted to play it safe, stick to a blackboard and chalk. Plus I'd think if someone could afford a $1000+ X99 rig, they'd be able to afford a cheap $100 tablet, or a eBay laptop to tide them over for any work critical tasks. Gaming isn't a neccessity, and if it is, you should always have a backup (i.e. if you're a streamer, have a Z97 backup rig). Same thing with rendering (which can be done on any PC, it just takes a longer amount of time) or encoding. Photo editing can be completed on a laptop too, but you should really have a high quality monitor panel for that anyway... which is unlikely to break as you wouldn't be fiddling with overclocking it in the first place.

Nevertheless, the CPU and Mobo are two tiny parts in the grand scheme. You'll still have your Storage (SSD, HDD), Graphics (GPU), PSU, Cables, whatever else. It's simply a matter of replacing the cabling and putting in a backup mobo if you don't feel like using a laptop or a tablet. Also you might want to use Linux while the mobo is getting sorted out, cause W10 is tied to mobo.
Edited by Desolutional - 9/27/15 at 4:41am
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I have a mobile phone and a laptop prepared for my work. In all cases, playing around with extreme hardware is always a risk. If you wanted to play it safe, stick to a blackboard and chalk. Plus I'd think if someone could afford a $1000+ X99 rig, they'd be able to afford a cheap $100 tablet, or a eBay laptop to tide them over for any work critical tasks. Gaming isn't a neccessity, and if it is, you should always have a backup (i.e. if you're a streamer, have a Z97 backup rig). Same thing with rendering (which can be done on any PC, it just takes a longer amount of time) or encoding. Photo editing can be completed on a laptop too, but you should really have a high quality monitor panel for that anyway... which is unlikely to break as you wouldn't be fiddling with overclocking it in the first place.

Nevertheless, the CPU and Mobo are two tiny parts in the grand scheme. You'll still have your Storage (SSD, HDD), Graphics (GPU), PSU, Cables, whatever else. It's simply a matter of replacing the cabling and putting in a backup mobo if you don't feel like using a laptop or a tablet. Also you might want to use Linux while the mobo is getting sorted out, cause W10 is tied to mobo.

I have found self-built and overclocked hardware to be extremely reliable over 15+ years, never had a cpu or mobo die, and never been down longer than a day. If I did have a motherboard/cpu die, I would overnight replacements and be back up in 24 hours. And assuming I had the patience to then do an rma, the replacements would go into builds I give to relatives.

Really dont have the patience for RMA's/selling, but I find it helps to minimize problems by avoiding known issues.
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Life comes with risk. Every X99 board has something "wrong" with it. If you feel like Z170 is the safer option, by all means buy into it. You'll be at a loss total performance wise, but at least you can rest easy knowing your Mobo+CPU has zero issues. I've thrown some pretty stupid settings into my rig, and nothing bad has happened, but maybe it will - who am I to know. Like they say, people are much more likely to write bad things about products than good things online. I'd say from what I've seen, less than 0.1% of ASUS X99 owners have suffered from the issue. That's a tiny amount, but it's up to you to judge whether that's too much. Also, once ASUS has isolated and fixed the cause of the issue, there will be nothing to worry about. So I guess, you can: buy Z170 or wait until ASUS provide a fix for the CPU OV issue. It's a shame ASUS don't offer an Advanced RMA, wherein they charge you for the replacement mobo and CPU, and refund you once they get your RMA processed.
Edited by Desolutional - 9/27/15 at 8:27am
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I have found self-built and overclocked hardware to be extremely reliable over 15+ years, never had a cpu or mobo die, and never been down longer than a day.

I kill two or three motherboards every socket and it's rarely entirely my fault.

I've also been killing the first CPU I've owned of every new Intel CPU architecture I've had, inside of nine months, since SB-E.
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I kill two or three motherboards every socket and it's rarely entirely my fault.

I've also been killing the first CPU I've owned of every new Intel CPU architecture I've had, inside of nine months, since SB-E.

No question ones aggressiveness for 24/7 settings will affect longevity of hardware, as will luck of the draw. I bench at high volts, but for 24/7 back off 100+mhz on what I consider stable, allow a vcore cushion, keep vcore to 1.3ish (for recent cpus), and use moderate cache settings (benching aside). I have 4 relatives that have my hand-me-downs, all still working (at stock for them). You are either running more aggressive settings than me for 24/7, or you have horrible luck compared to mine, or a little of both.
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I kill two or three motherboards every socket and it's rarely entirely my fault.

I've also been killing the first CPU I've owned of every new Intel CPU architecture I've had, inside of nine months, since SB-E.

Lol ummm..... those are some pretty crazy numbers. haha
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Guys, I want to make upgrade, but I can`t choose 6700k or 5820k.
I worried because 5820k is very hot and bad overcklock.
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