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OEMs barely make up AMD's sales for the past few years though, i hardly even see a prebuilt desktop with an AMD chip.

in any case, its as i've said, they'll still sell well, just that they'd have to price it lower.


I bet that OEM sales still dwarf the sales of retail chips worldwide. The point I am trying to make is that for AMD to be successful they need OEM design wins with much better margins than they have right now. They need to regain some share of the business pc market and servers. Perhaps this will happen with ZEN if they reach a high enough frequency for the 40% ipc gains to matter. If these chips clock at 2.5 to 3.0 GHz they won't be much faster than what they have for sale today.
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maybe on their APU chips, but i doubt the FX are in a better shape than the retail boxes.
the FX in its current place is slowly dying, if they had been locked from the beginning they wouldn't be selling much at their current prices.


thats right, they'd have to get the most attention for OEMs to pick theirs over intel's, even excluding intel's shady dealings.
Zen or whatever wouldn't need just the right performance, their price should be more attractive than intel's, OEMs wants profit, not performance.
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maybe on their APU chips, but i doubt the FX are in a better shape than the retail boxes.
the FX in its current place is slowly dying, if they had been locked from the beginning they wouldn't be selling much at their current prices.


thats right, they'd have to get the most attention for OEMs to pick theirs over intel's, even excluding intel's shady dealings.
Zen or whatever wouldn't need just the right performance, their price should be more attractive than intel's, OEMs wants profit, not performance.
From the way the last 2 oems I have purchased perform, that is obvious ( i 5 laptop - 4770s desktop)
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It's going to be a Jim Keller design. Maker of Athlon 64.

Yes, ZEN is going to be a really good processor IMO.

HBM DDR4 AM4 - more epeen per core just like the good old days.

But I'm going to sit back and enjoy my FX-9590 and wait to see real results before I buy.

In the past several releases, I bough the biggest and baddest chips first so I could be on top of the OC game.

This time I think let every one else do it while I take my sig rig for runs with LN2 and then get that ZEN chip a little later in the game.

And hopefully, we can see some more WR frequencies with ZEN. Would be nice to see close to 10Ghz. Please no cold bug please.
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You lost all credibility as soon as you typed that statement. AMD doesn't care anymore for their customers than Intel or Nvidia.

Lol yeah right, AMD only hires devs just to contribute to FOSS projects and releases all their product datasheets. They also stay with already existing standards, like Freesync to make it easier for the customer.

Wonder why sauerbraten barely runs on a 750Ti using free drivers? Nvidia refuses to cooperate with the nouveau devs and creates proprietary, Nvidia-only technologies like Physix or gsync. Wonder why SLI isn't compatible with any Sapphire motherboards, despite the chipset supporting it? Nvidia is bitter Sapphire only produces AMD cards. Contrary to popular belief, SLI is a purely software-based implementation. They just unlock it depending on which board you're using. This doesn't make them better than EA.

Intel isn't better. According to the Snowden documents, Intel cooperates with the NSA. Their processors include "anti-theft technology". It includes a kill-switch and an onboard remotely accessible OpenSPARC CPU. If you want to access the same documents AMD gives out for free, you must sign an NDA and wait a period of multiple months for reasons unknown. Intel has also been lobying behind some very shady bills in congress (which I won't mention, OCN isn't for politics).

This is why I refuse to buy anything Intel and Nvidia have to offer. They are bad companies that don't care about my rights despite me being a customer. I don't care about 640x480 Skyrim benchmarks where an i5 CPU beats my FX8350 by 8 frames. I want a CPU that can compile my software in a reasonable amount of time, and my FX8350 is far superior in raw number crunching than anything Intel has to offer at the same price point.
Edited by Quail - 8/27/15 at 7:02pm
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I sold my 8350 and Sabertooth MB this past winter and made the jump to intel to give the other side of the street a try. I do like my current system, but find myself missing my FX setup. Before my switch I was die hard AMD since the K-5 days and I'm now thinking of giving an FM2+ a try with the Asus ROG MB and a 860k to swap with my current MB and CPU to OC and play around with. I see this thread going the path of so many others when talking AMD and Intel together where the intel fan boys come out to bash AMD and the thread just turns into a fight....

Just something about my 8350 I really miss, could just be the fun I enjoyed OCing it up to 5.4ghz...

Hoping Zen gives Intel a good run and we see some great things in the next few years from both companies...

As far as GPU's go I'm AMD all the way...
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Dude why be so harsh with the AMD enthusiast ?

AMD have a CPU line for overclockers and the man is one.

A clear target ($$$$) for the company yes, but AMD did care with overclockers, and dont ask a arm and leg for a K version. (For now)

The FX chips are dogs really difficult to kill. Can handle very high clocks. Tons of Fun !!

That´s the point, so difficult to you to understand and accept?

Actually YOU lost all credibility as soon as you typed that statement, mister.

Did I strike a nerve? I never said that owning an AMD cpu is bad, I just simple commented about them caring for any of us on a personal level. That thinking is just silly.

They want to make money, so they add features like unlocked multiplier on their cpu because it is a selling point. Not because they care. That was my whole point.

And AMD would charge more for their processors if they would actually sale at higher prices. How long have you been into computers? Back when the first FX processors launched, you know when AMD processors dominated anything Intel had, they charged $1k for some of their processors.

I had multiple Athlon 64's and x2's when they first launched and they were always at a price premium because they were faster than Intel cpu's at the time and they sold well at those price points.
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Are you trying to talk about the 9590, which started out with a very high price for the professional market? The price of which dropped right away and has stayed low for 2 years? he one that still delivers more bang for the buck than any of the popular intel cpu's?

If you really want a $1000 cpu intel makes LOTS of them. Why, they even make $3000 cpus! BTW, here is a direct comparison of a $1000 cpu to a $230 cpu.
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=866&cmp[]=2014
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Are you trying to talk about the 9590, which started out with a very high price for the professional market? The price of which dropped right away and has stayed low for 2 years? he one that still delivers more bang for the buck than any of the popular intel cpu's?

If you really want a $1000 cpu intel makes LOTS of them. Why, they even make $3000 cpus! BTW, here is a direct comparison of a $1000 cpu to a $230 cpu.
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=866&cmp[]=2014

No, the Athlon 64 FX line of cpus.
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The most I ever paid was $600 for intel cpus.
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