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3770k does beat out an 8350 clock for clock in well, everything. BUT, it doesn't pulverize the FX. I bought my father a 8320 for his return trip into the enthusiast PC world a few months back, we easily got it comfortable at 4.6 GHZ and guess what.. we paid $129 for the damn thing. Right now that's some serious performance per dollar. I suggested the 4690k for him originally but I think overall he's much happier with the performance he has at such a low cost. The extra cash went into the GPUs thumb.gif

Right now I'm a bit skeptical about the future of AMD, but I see no chance that an 8 core, hyperthreaded Zen CPU with an increased IPC is not going to out perform an ivy bridge i7. If a 3770k is better, I may laugh myself to death biggrin.gif.. I would rather they just silently closed their doors over that. Either way it's AMD and they'll get laughed at, while I'm confident their next iteration will beat a 3770k, I highly doubt it will come close to a 5960x.. But who knows, it's not out yet. do agree with him though that it's not going to be cheap, based on their GPU patterns I expect they'll try to price match with intel based on performance per dollar, but nothing a little time and competition couldn't fix if it's really a good CPU.


I agree with that. If the ZEN cpu's and APU's perform really, really well AMD isn't going to give them away. As they shouldn't. I think many people here and on other forums expect them to be cheap as the FX and FM2+ kit. They won't be if they perform as expected.
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I agree with that. If the ZEN cpu's and APU's perform really, really well AMD isn't going to give them away. As they shouldn't. I think many people here and on other forums expect them to be cheap as the FX and FM2+ kit. They won't be if they perform as expected.

Unless they perform significantly better then Intel's parts, AMD is going to HAVE to price their parts lower. Even if both parts have identical performance and pricing, AMD will still lose most of its sales to Intel just on reputation alone. They rely on superior value per dollar to make any kind of acceptable sales figures.

Maybe if they can put out great value AND performance parts for a few generations in a row, they'll be able to reclaim their reputation and begin pricing more similarly to Intel. Until then, it would be suicide.
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Its not just the newest Multicore AMD processors that are seeing good gains. My Phenom II is also seeing improvements in games with the multicore programming. Its almost as if new life is being channeled into my older hardware.

Exactly. Even AM3 CPUs, are actually now living a second youth, especially for non gamers. AMD's problem was always that had many, but weak cores. Now that more software uses more cores, they suddenly get utilized closer to their true potential. It's like with video encoding that i mentioned. AMD was always very good with it, because it can use all cores 100%. Game's don't often do that YET. The problem arises with gamers. New games also want to use newer instructions, so they run better on FX than on AM3 CPUs. But aside that, this is really the time where AM3 CPUs start showing what they could really do. The same will happen with FX, well after Zen's launch. The problem is again, that for games, the FX is already "old", because some games are still singletreaded and because they can't wait for games to use 8 cores at 90-100%.

I even made a test out of curiocity. I keep a rig, for the specific task of playing old games that require low resolution and 4:3 screen. So i use a 1280x1024 monitor. I had managed to play on low (and some medium setings) Shogun II on Athlon II X2 240 (2.8Ghz) with HD5450. The game uses like 1 and a half core. Take away the games, and for ordinary tasks, you can't really tell the difference between an Athlon X2 3.2Ghz or an Athlon X4 3Ghz and FX 8-core at 4Ghz. At least i can't, after using K10Stat and decreased to 100ms the time to raise P-state in AM3s. Without K10Stat, the FX feels snappier because it starts at 1400Mhz base clock. But that's it. If you watch film, browse, listen to music, email, there is nothing wrong with AM3.

P.S.: My 1090T at stock, beats slightly my FX6300 at stock in x264 encoding and in WEI.
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Why Do You All Still Want to Use AMD CPU When Its Inferior to Intel??

LOL! Because I can buy a 6300 with a decent motherboard at MC for $100, $30 cooler and an easy 4G overclock, and it runs almost everything just fine with a mid-range GPU at 1080. Runs multi-threaded apps well. As has been stated 100x already there is a value proposition here. That said my main rig is a 5820k and AMD doesn't have anything in the ballpark currently if you do things that need the horsepower.
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Why do I still want to use an AMD FX even though inferior?

Simple: I don't. I'm the kind of guy who wants as much performance as possible and is not really bothered by temps. That is, until temps become so dangerous (50 °C IDLE) That the CPU is simply unstable.

Plus, it's summer, my room is already hot by itself, I can't take an AMD FX even with an H100i, dropping it under 5 GHz was also not considerable, since, as I say, I want, but also really NEED as much performance as a CPU can give me.

I had an happy experience with AMD, Being an Intel guy since my childhood (From a pentium 4 to a core i5 Nehalem), but I'm switching to Intel: I may have understood that a silent build is more efficient for my sanity, and I'm eagerly waiting for skylake.

The 390 is a badass GPU, though.
 
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Unless they perform significantly better then Intel's parts, AMD is going to HAVE to price their parts lower. Even if both parts have identical performance and pricing, AMD will still lose most of its sales to Intel just on reputation alone. They rely on superior value per dollar to make any kind of acceptable sales figures.

Maybe if they can put out great value AND performance parts for a few generations in a row, they'll be able to reclaim their reputation and begin pricing more similarly to Intel. Until then, it would be suicide.

I never said that they would be priced as high as Intel's offerings. I said they won't be dirt cheap if they perform as well as we all hope. I do agree with your ending statement. IF they reclaim the mind share they had in 2005 then things will change for them. All you need to do is start getting good tech reviews on YouTube, enthusiast sites and the ball will be rolling.
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All you need to do is start getting good tech reviews on YouTube, enthusiast sites and the ball will be rolling.

Yeah, they need to help themselves a bit in that. Pour some money on some review sites to use better suited software and settings. You know, instead of having the reviewer say "now let's have a blast from the past and let's encode 480p DVD to 240p and oh my God, yes, the PentiumG beats the FX 8core", have him say "now let's do a modern video encoding test and encode an Blu ray to 1080p/720p x264 and a glimpse of the future with 4K to 1080p x265 conversion and oh my God, the new Zen looks good!".

In games pick the games that use many cores and so on.
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I'm pretty sure I heard sometime ago that AMD's Zen CPUs will support memory in quad channel as well.

But yeah, some games care more about memory clock, and hardly about dual vs quad channel, it's kinda weird. (Even though quad channel does double memory read/write/copy performance vs dual channel pretty much.). I only tested that with a random Dx9 MMO though.

Well ijn my experience it doesn't matter. I tried a pair of Kingston HyperX Fury, 8gbx2 @1600 cl10 on a Gigabyte UD3 and Asus CH5FZ with both an 8350 and 9590, the surprise to me was that the 8350 had higher memory benchmarks, BUT I put that same memory, dual channel, in a EVGA Classified x79 and the bench's nearly doubled. So does it affect the average game experience? No not significantly... Do I want half the performance when I pay for something... no I don't
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Not quite everything.

Green= 8350
Blue= 3770K

http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/375/AMD_FX-Series_FX-8350_vs_Intel_Core_i7_i7-3770.html

Because this is software that can use all cores at 100% and scales almost perfectly with cores.

Yep, that's the only benchmark out there from your link that could use all cores. It's averagely 50% slower your source has to say.
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And he really believe that a early i7 generation CPU is a WAAAAY better than a good tuned FX Chip !

A 980x, which is 1st gen, wipes the floor with a 9590. That thing is only ~17% slower clock-for-clock than a 3930K, so think again. FX CPU's are mainly competing with Conroe, clock-for-clock multithreaded performance a C2Q outperforms a 4300 significantly.
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Yep, that's the only benchmark out there from your link that could use all cores. It's averagely 50% slower your source has to say.

Yes, that's why i posted them and gave also the link. Good catch! But just for the history, i 'd have to put the averages chosen by the source too.


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