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post #1481 of 1493
I can get Rival 95 ($24), which is cheaper version of Rival 100 ($37) without LED and with a bit different matherial. Is it good buy? I'd like to play CS:GO mostly with low-sens (500 @ 1000 Hz, as far as described in the Ino's review).
I have no G102 avaliable in my country. frown.gif
post #1482 of 1493
I always say this mouse is worth a shot for anyone who likes the shape. I played plenty of CS:GO and OW with the mouse @ 500 DPI/1000hz with no issues.
 
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Do the IME 3.0 hyperglides fit this mouse? The 0.8mm thickness seems good on those.
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I put my 3.0 feet on top of the original to lower the liftoff distance, but yes there is enough room for them. On the front the original feet extends towards the sides an extra 0.5-1 mm, because they are narrower (you can't push the 3.0 feet 100% into the corner), but this doesn't make any difference.
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I put my 3.0 feet on top of the original to lower the liftoff distance, but yes there is enough room for them. On the front the original feet extends towards the sides an extra 0.5-1 mm, because they are narrower (you can't push the 3.0 feet 100% into the corner), but this doesn't make any difference.
Have you tried a goliathus control style pad with them? It can be picky when messing with the LOD.
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I tested it for you with my old (all black, small logo) Goliathus Control, and it works without any issues. Low speed, high speed, tiny movements, all fine. Except for the fact that at higher DPI (1600) the sensor quality is on the very bottom of the acceptable level, but this is true on any mousepad and without the extra feet.
Edited by Zwiebi - 4/2/17 at 11:33am
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post #1487 of 1493
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Originally Posted by Zwiebi View Post

I tested it for you with my old (all black, small logo) Goliathus Control, and it works without any issues. Low speed, high speed, tiny movements, all fine. Except for the fact that at higher DPI (1600) the sensor quality is on the very bottom of the acceptable level, but this is true on any mousepad and without the extra feet.
I'm not sure how much thicker hotline games feet are, but I used those on my Rival 100. Also have tested it on many different pads without any issues @500DPI/1000hz. I personally wouldn't recommend going over 1000DPI with this mouse as it gets very jittery.

Shape is great! especially for people who like to bend their pinky towards their palm or the butt of the mouse.
post #1488 of 1493
I bought Rival 100 about 2 months ago. I saw someone in this forum said Rival100's sensor should be free of any smoothing so I went curious and bought it.
It turned out to be an OK mouse. I decide to leave a review here.

The shape is good, not my ideal shape, but still good, and should be good for many ambidextrous mice lovers.
(In recent months, I mainly use G403 and I feel I can adjust to G403 shape quite well. G403 shape feels much better than DA and EC shape to me. They are all "kidney shape" mice but the tiny difference in the size and the hump makes them feel very different in hand.
My ideal mouse shape is Zowie AM, but zowie no longer make/upgrade their AM line anymore.)

Rival 100 is similar to Kana. I believe people here are already very familiar with Kana shape so I don't need to describe its shape.

The sides(thumb grip) are hard plastic with dots. It feels cheap. Other users here say this effectively prevents slippery grip. Those coated/glossy surfaces on other mice always cause either dry hands or sweaty hands slippery on them. It seemed no mouse could satisfy all users. But this plastic-dot grip seems to have solved the problem. I rarely had slippery grip problem with any mouse (probably IO 1.1 was the only one). I'm ok with most mice. So my only concern to this thumb grip is it feels cheap.

The sensor is mediocre, it is only usable at 500DPI. It skips pixels if set to 1000dpi or higher.
But in 500dpi it's pretty good. Some people said they can feel some angle snapping with this mouse. But I do not feel any, and when drawing circles or fast swipes in Windows Paint, it performs the same as 3366 mice. I don't know how those people got to the conclusion it had angle-snapping.
If you feel it is smoothed/floaty. It is normal because that is a vague and subjective feeling, no one can really prove you right or wrong. But angle-snapping is something that can be visualized and compared. Don't say it has angle-snapping just because you don't aim as well as when you were using 3366. Your aim can be affected/decided by many factors.

The lift-off-distance of my copy is 2mm or less. Some people alerted it has very high LOD which is almost intolerable. Maybe there are individual difference among copies? Or maybe SS modified it a little in later productions?
Anyway, my copy has an LOD even slightly lower than G402. I can get used to it without much difficulty. Back in the old days people had been using MX518 G400 with insanely high LOD without complaining. Rival 100 should not be anything intolerable.

The sensor placement is very low. I don't know why SS made it this way. Sensor placement will surely affect the feel of tracking. I can get used to it but perhaps not everyone will like it.

The buttons are somewhere between Logitech and zowie. It's a little bit stiffer than Logitech. Logitech's current G series have very crispy and tactile clicks and require very little force to be pressed. Some people say Logitech is hair-trigger and dislike it. But to me, Logitech buttons are perfect, zowie buttons are intolerable. I can still adjust to rival 100 buttons so I think it's good enough.
The click latency compared to logitech is very noticeable when doing flick shots. But over time I get used to it and it doesn't hinder my play. Slight click latency might not be a fault of the electronic design of the mouse. It could be just mechanical. Your finger needs a process to have a button completely pressed. If the button requires you to apply more force or travel longer, it certainly takes more time to get pressed.
This latency is also very noticeable on zowie mice. Since people feel OK with zowie mice, Rival 100 should be within acceptable range.
Btw, the A-B mice collision test that are widely used in this forum is not accurate at all. Imagine you collide a zowie mouse with a logitech. The zowie buttons will not be pressed until the logitech button is completely pressed, because zowie is stiffer or more resilient. The result is certainly not accurate and can't reflect the actual latency electronic wise.

The mouse cable is quite soft. It's almost as good as zowie cables. Pretty good for an entry-level mouse. For many times companies intentionally use inferior material/designs on less-expensive products just to disgust you and force you to buy expensive models.

I also notice some people say the feet being too thin that the plastic bottom scratches mouse pad and causes much friction. On my copy, the feet are normal. They are not thin, and they have rounded edge. It's probably SS improved this in later batches.
My mouse pad is QCK+. The friction when using Rival100 is lower than G403. It could be the shape of the feet, or it could be the feet materials are different. The friction can also differ a lot on different surfaces. So I can't just say Rival100's feet are better than G403's.

The scroll wheel is normal. I don't use scroll wheel in games so I'm not picky. As long as it can precisely scroll in Windows applications, I'm ok with it. Talking about durability, I used this mouse for only 2 weeks so I can't tell.

I had been using this mouse for 2 weeks, mainly playing Overwatch.(500dpi. 1000hz. 7.7 in-game sens. QcK+) It did take me some time to get used to it, but after that it's all good. It does not hinder my performance. I switched back to G403 after the 2 weeks, because on G403 I can perform the same and G403 feels more comfortable.

Summary
If you are ok with 500dpi and seeking an ambidextrous shape, and this mouse happen to be on sale, then it's really worth a try. Otherwise, stick to whatever you believe is more advanced and better made.
Edited by fourthavenue - 4/10/17 at 10:39am
post #1489 of 1493
Can the LEDs be turned off without installing the software?
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Can the LEDs be turned off without installing the software?

Nope.
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