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post #411 of 1498
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Originally Posted by SteelseriesDave View Post

I believe this is either mistake or early planning. Also the CPI is wrong, the Rival 100 supports CPI up to 4000 not 2000. And all the latest info I have is that it is S3059.
Anyway the product has reach some stores now, so we will most likely see a review pretty soon.
CPI up to 2000
DCPI up to 4000 ( Doubled CPI )
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http://reseller.steelseries.com/product/11691
post #412 of 1498
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Originally Posted by qsxcv View Post

...as i said before, 3310 is the most overrated sensor ever.
why don't we wait and see how the 3050/9 in this actually performs

I hear it performs decently if you use 500 CPI or 250 CPI; anything above that it sucks. That's not a surprise because of the hardware. If it's the standard 3050 it's probably a 500 CPI sensor, with no smoothing, that runs close to 6700 FPS.

You can ask the people who used the Aurora beta samples or BST. That mouse had a 3050 in it first.
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Originally Posted by ronal View Post

It's definitely not an original 3050 sensor now is it. Razer did the same with their sensor which was based off the Avago 3090 at the time.

When you get an exclusivity contract your sensor has a different name until it's released to the public. The difference with those variants tends to be only the SROM.

I don't consider a SROM as a sensor.

What magic can you pull off with a 19x19 sensor that cannot run past 500 CPI without major sacrifices? That's why there is a PMW-3320.

They are using the MCU to create CPI steps above 2000, which indicates this mouse is nothing special. This era isn't about faking CPI through MCU.
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Originally Posted by a_ak57 View Post

If he is an employee, he's probably gonna be yelled at since he doesn't really seem to know much of anything useful thus shouldn't be conducting PR here. With a community like this you can't really just spout generic marketing lines like "awesome tracking sensor due to our custom technology" and expect everyone to love it. People here wanna know about perfect control speed, smoothing, etc. I mean honestly, if you don't even know something as basic as the dimensions...

Assuming not a troll, I would guess he's probably just someone who lucked into being a product tester without really knowing much about the technical side of mice. Or maybe an intern/low level employee who wants to prove they can make it in marketing or something.

I think he is just some guy who subscribed to SteelSeries' newsletter.
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post #413 of 1498
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Originally Posted by a_ak57 View Post

If he is an employee, he's probably gonna be yelled at since he doesn't really seem to know much of anything useful thus shouldn't be conducting PR here. With a community like this you can't really just spout generic marketing lines like "awesome tracking sensor due to our custom technology" and expect everyone to love it. People here wanna know about perfect control speed, smoothing, etc. I mean honestly, if you don't even know something as basic as the dimensions...

Assuming not a troll, I would guess he's probably just someone who lucked into being a product tester without really knowing much about the technical side of mice. Or maybe an intern/low level employee who wants to prove they can make it in marketing or something.

The intention was to just point out that the sensor is called S3059 and not same as 3050 and there are improvments made. There was questions which sensor it really had, so the point was to clearify that.
I'll let you know if ill get yelled at, maybe I will smile.gif.
And no, I didnt find the dimensions info at first.
post #414 of 1498
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Originally Posted by Klopfer View Post

CPI up to 2000
DCPI up to 4000 ( Doubled CPI )
wink.gif
http://reseller.steelseries.com/product/11691

true, my bad thumb.gif
post #415 of 1498
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Originally Posted by qsxcv View Post

...as i said before, 3310 is the most overrated sensor ever.
why don't we wait and see how the 3050/9 in this actually performs

And yet I would take it blind over this sensor any day of the week.
3310 is a stable sensor with good m/s. That is all most people want or need.
post #416 of 1498
uhm 3050 has good m/s as well
http://www.overclock.net/t/1566139/the-new-mouse-from-steelseries-rival-100/300_100#post_24408907

it's technically weak, cheap, and low end but that doesn't mean it's bad.
just to play devil's advocate, here's my biased comparison of 3050 and 3310

framerate:
3050: stable 6666; 3310: speed-dependent values of 2080, 4100, 6500

smoothing:
3050: none; 3310: 4ms

variance:
3050: probably not bad; 3310: inherits some of 9500/9800 architecture's variance issues.

dpi:
who needs >500 dpi anyway?

tracking speed:
3050: >=4m/s; 3310: 6-7m/s
it's very rare to actually need those speeds in-game
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post #417 of 1498
Man, pro's use Kinzu or Kana. I dont see the problem. Fix your crosshair placement then fix your aim.

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Yes I just did say that! biggrin.gif:D:D
post #418 of 1498
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Originally Posted by qsxcv View Post

uhm 3050 has good m/s as well
http://www.overclock.net/t/1566139/the-new-mouse-from-steelseries-rival-100/300_100#post_24408907

it's technically weak, cheap, and low end but that doesn't mean it's bad.
just to play devil's advocate, here's my biased comparison of 3050 and 3310

framerate:
3050: stable 6666; 3310: speed-dependent values of 2080, 4100, 6500

smoothing:
3050: none; 3310: 4ms

variance:
3050: probably not bad; 3310: inherits some of 9500/9800 architecture's variance issues.

dpi:
who needs >500 dpi anyway?

tracking speed:
3050: >=4m/s; 3310: 6-7m/s
it's very rare to actually need those speeds in-game
I completely agree with you. I was also convinced by the 3310 hype before, but it's actually overrated. All it has going for it is the max tracking speed, and most people won't need one that high anyway. However, what they could have used is the 3320.

It'll be interesting to see how this one performs. I'd do some acceleration tests with the Kinzu V3, but I don't see the point if we can wait for tests of the Rival 100.
post #419 of 1498
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Originally Posted by qsxcv View Post

uhm 3050 has good m/s as well
http://www.overclock.net/t/1566139/the-new-mouse-from-steelseries-rival-100/300_100#post_24408907


dpi:
who needs >500 dpi anyway?

The majority of the people using mice use well over 500dpi, so many?
Used 800-1000dpi for years and never going to change that.

Also 500dpi @ 1440p desktop, no thanks.
post #420 of 1498
what was the difference between the 3050 and 3090 again

I don't want to have to dig out reliable measurements from all the FUNposting and FUD that searching for them returns
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