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post #1771 of 7091
So excited for this one biggrin.gif

Does anyone know if you can swap the position of the pump block / fans / etc... of the block at all ? I want to install it in the front of my case and make it an intake block rather than an exhaust block. Just changing the fans from pulling air through the rads (default) to push will make dust get stuck in the rad frown.gif
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Originally Posted by bl4ckdot View Post

Let's hope so. Also is compatible with the Vengeance C70 case (I'll remove the dvd rack)

The only concern is the pump. It's quite weak at 6 max wattage allowance. It's design to pretty much just barely pass the 1gpm needs as most efficient setups prefer atleast 1gpm.
Second concern is this pump can only achieve 1gpm at max rpm(3k) with no head/pressure restrictions. Add a cpu block 1psi drop. Add a gpu block 1psi drop. Tapped out as it only has a 1.6m head(5.2ft) 2.2516psi) tolerance. I would only mount this AIO in a top location to relieve the workload for that little guy. Maybe Monday morning EK can deny or confirm these numbers, but they come straight from their manual except the psi calculation.
Edited by ZWingerRyRy - 10/25/15 at 7:01pm
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post #1774 of 7091
Once you are past turbulent flow in the rads, there is not a whole lot of benefit with increased flow rates. Indeed, blocks scale positively but the rate of increase is within error margins of recording. The EK Predator 240 as it comes gives you ~1.01 GPM flow (after having accounted for the additional restriction from the flowmeter) and that's pretty good. If you consider the Predator 360 with two sets of QDCs and a prefilled GPU block added in then of course the flow rate will be lower than 1 GPM but I don't know what the pressure drop across the QDCs is. Perhaps Tiborrr would have a better idea but I wouldn't be surprised if 0.8 GPM was possible in that "worst case" situation also.

As far as the pump speed goes, yes this is at 12 V and 100% PWM but it is really quiet in my opinion- especially if you have the fans and pump hooked up to the same PWM header for control. The fans have a longer PWM duty cycle and RPM response curve, so the way you end up setting the fan curve it will end up such that the fans are louder than the pump almost always. I have not experienced any pump vibrations either, so I don't mind having it at full speed all the time.
Edited by geggeg - 10/25/15 at 7:07pm
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I mounted my 360 in my case (Core V31) over the weekend on the front (won't fit up top)

One thing I was a bit put off by was the fact that the fans are mounted to pull instead of push. I went to go and reverse the fans, but they are screwed in with screws that require a particular sized allen key that was not provided in the package. :/

So I have to try to find one that will fit in order to change the direction.

Other than that, its a beautiful kit. Even running the fans in "silent" mode off my bios, the fans idle at ~700-750RPM and have lowered my CPU temps by 8-10 degrees and is quieter than my previous cooling setup (2x Gentle Typhoon with a Corsair H100)

The only gripe I have besides the fan screws is the pump.. although its not that loud, there is a definite hum that it emits which I did not have with the h100 at all. It may just be my unit, but in my case it has a very obvious vibration which when mounted to the chassis, causes a pretty obvious hum. if I place my side panel back on the case, the hum is worsened a lot, so I will be reinstalling it with rubber grommets to try to eliminate the vibration some.

So TLDR, Performance is great, but there are some issues with vibration and ease of installation.

Also, if anyone is interested, I'd be happy to post pics. I did record the install and was going to post on YT (even though the quality of the vid is not the greatest)
Edited by Scoobydooby11 - 10/26/15 at 12:03pm
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post #1776 of 7091
Youtube it. Always like watching install vids. Sucks that the pump is noisy frown.gif

Does it do it at full speed only or every speed? I know that you can control it via pwm. The pump on my kelvin s36 is also noisy and makes a buzzing sound at it's top speed of 2700rpm. Running it at 1800rpm for normal desktop stuff cures it though.
post #1777 of 7091
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Originally Posted by Scoobydooby11 View Post

I mounted my 360 in my case (Core V31) over the weekend on the front (won't fit up top)

One thing I was a bit put off by was the fact that the fans are mounted to pull instead of push. I went to go and reverse the fans, but they are screwed in with screws that require a particular sized allen key that was not provided in the package. :/

So I have to try to find one that will fit in order to change the direction.

Other than that, its a beautiful kit. Even running the fans in "silent" mode off my bios, the fans idle at ~700-750RPM and have lowered my CPU temps by 8-10 degrees and is quieter than my previous cooling setup (2x Gentle Typhoon with a Corsair H100)

The only gripe I have besides the fan screws is the pump.. although its not that loud, there is a definite hum that it emits which I did not have with the h100 at all. It may just be my unit, but in my case it has a very obvious vibration which when mounted to the chassis, causes a pretty obvious hum. if I place my side panel back on the case, the hum is worsened a lot, so I will be reinstalling it with rubber grommets to try to eliminate the vibration some.

So TLDR, Performance is great, but there are some issues with vibration and ease of installation.

Also, if anyone is interested, I'd be happy to post pics. I did record the install and was going to post on YT (even though the quality of the vid is not the greatest)
U need a 6.5 key for the fans.

But the pump is a bit noisy.
post #1778 of 7091
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Originally Posted by skkane View Post

Youtube it. Always like watching install vids. Sucks that the pump is noisy frown.gif

Does it do it at full speed only or every speed? I know that you can control it via pwm. The pump on my kelvin s36 is also noisy and makes a buzzing sound at it's top speed of 2700rpm. Running it at 1800rpm for normal desktop stuff cures it though.

Haven't tested at different speeds on the pump.. simply got the fans spun down to lowest possible levels. The pump is definitely a big cause of the vibration I'm having. Its not terrible sounding.. I find with my side panel on its muted a lot, but then the vibration is much louder.. so gotta get that under control first. I Ordered a bunch of anti-vibration stuff this morning on amazon that I will use to try to get the vibration down.
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Originally Posted by HatallaS View Post

U need a 6.5 key for the fans.

But the pump is a bit noisy.

Thanks for the heads up. Gonna run after work and grab a set to use. After I pickup my X34 Predator biggrin.gif
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post #1779 of 7091
And for the fittings it's a 20 that u need to shove inside and rotate to remove.
post #1780 of 7091
And I think it's the same size or one or two below to remove the plugs on the reservoir. Would have been nice if they included all of those in the kit.
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