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Do You Think AMD Should Just Abandon Desktop/Notebook CPU

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#1 ·
Well, looking at their current state, I seriously do not think AMD has the resources to fight both Intel and Nvidia. I think their GPU is at least in a much better state than their CPU. So do you think AMD should just drop their desktop/notebook CPU and concentrate on GPU? For CPU part, only concentrate on embedded APU meant for Xbox/PS. Try to maintain as APU supplier for the consoles, forget about PC.

I really think its just a matter of time before AMD goes bankrupt.

Fury X was good but its still not the Titan-X killer which we thought it would be.
 
#3 ·
No they shouldn't.

Zen is set to be released in 2016.

It's rumoured that AMD will be behind the next nintendo console.

Carrizo has just been released.

To suddenly stop these projects will be like throwing away millions of dollars.

If anything they will close their cpu operations in a few years if they can't be competitive.

No point speculating till we've seen their next desktop chips.

This is just another thread that will be full of doomsayers and bickering about the potential demise of AMD.

There's no point to it, and your post is just the same recycled crap.............

'Titan X killer'

'AMD goes bankrupt'

Click/trollbait thread.
 
#4 ·
Yea, they should. They are throwing money away trying to compete with Intel on this front. They should focus on gaming consoles as that's probably the only profitable area that they are in. The advantage of making console chips are you only need to spend R&D once every 6-8 years instead of every 2 years. They can slim down and survive like VIA.
 
#6 ·
AMD doesn't have the budget to compete with Intel, by staying in that market they are losing money. They are not a charity, from AMD's point of view, they should be abandoning the desktop and notebook market. It's not what we want, this is about what the company should do.
 
#7 ·
Well if Zen fails then I'm sure AMD will be considering leaving the desktop cpu market.

There's no point ditching something that is in the works right now and is probably 90% complete.

This is why there's no point continuing to speculate AMD's future at this point in time, FM3 socket will make or break AMD I imagine.
 
#8 ·
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Originally Posted by escksu View Post

Well, looking at their current state, I seriously do not think AMD has the resources to fight both Intel and Nvidia. I think their GPU is at least in a much better state than their CPU. So do you think AMD should just drop their desktop/notebook CPU and concentrate on GPU? For CPU part, only concentrate on embedded APU meant for Xbox/PS. Try to maintain as APU supplier for the consoles, forget about PC.
No, because there are some niches were AMD APU/CPU's offer better value. AMD probably can't ever compete with Intel in terms of pure performance, Intel's R&D budget is simply too large in comparison. Although Intel's recent announcement of abandoning/revamping the tick-tock updates might be the 1st '***** in Intel's armor' in years. Maybe AMD can really gain some ground with Zen.
 
#9 ·
AMD cannot compete with anyone at this point in time, not just with INTEL.
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#10 ·
I hope they continue, hopefully they will come out with something new soon.. Competition is good for us, that will make Intel pump out something in response, that will hopefully be even better, and so on and so forth.
 
#12 ·
Hell no.

I just sold an 8320e build last week: 8320e/970A-UD3P/212 EVP/R9 290/8GB DDR3-2133 with the customer's old PSU and case for $499 and he couldn't be happier.

When the 8320e goes EOL, I'm stocking up.
 
#13 ·
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Originally Posted by p4inkill3r View Post

Hell no.

I just sold an 8320e build last week: 8320e/970A-UD3P/212 EVP/R9 290/8GB DDR3-2133 with the customer's old PSU and case for $499 and he couldn't be happier.

When the 8320e goes EOL, I'm stocking up.
OK. FS : AMD FX-8320E $1.00 LOL!!!
Ok. On a serious note now.
AMD said when the FX chips first come out " We are not going to compete with Intel core vs. core. We are going after multi-threading app." and them did. If you compare price vs performance point of view AMD did it for mutli-threading.
EXAMPLE
If you look a price around $200 and at stock speed. We will have a FX-9590 and an Intel i5 4690k both around $200 and at stock speeds.
Now look at benches and we will see this.
Intel i5 4690k wins in single threading.
AMD FX-9590 wins in multi threading.
Now with the Intel i5 4690k oc core speed vs core speed.
Intel i5 4690k wins in single threading.
AMD FX-9590 wins in multi threading.

The main point is this " What are you going to do with the PC."
Basic PC user. AMD wins.
Video editing AMD wins.
Gaming Intel wins.
This is at price vs performance and at stock speeds.
 
#14 ·
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Originally Posted by p4inkill3r View Post

Hell no.

I just sold an 8320e build last week: 8320e/970A-UD3P/212 EVP/R9 290/8GB DDR3-2133 with the customer's old PSU and case for $499 and he couldn't be happier.

When the 8320e goes EOL, I'm stocking up.
If the last batches of Vishera 8 cores are like the last Thuban and Deneb's were..... count me in for a few too.
 
#15 ·
What's EOL?

And if AMD leaves, who else would we be left with?
IBM? Could but won't.
Nvidia? Tegra...no thanks.
 
#17 ·
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Originally Posted by dixson01974 View Post

Just FYI IBM is Intel.
Isn't NVIDIA too?
I didn't know that...why do they both make server CPUs? As opposed to IBM for server grade and Intel for the average consumer.
 
#18 ·
If they quit Intel could sell their CPUs at 150% or more from the current price and you'll have to buy them 'cause it'll be the only choice. Besides AMD actually has very solid products like the FX8350/8320 which can compete with the i5 in games and with some i7 in productivity, not to mention that it is one of the best cpu for OC around. Also their APUs are a good choice for HTPC's and small budget builds to play games at fairly good configurations without having to spend $140 on an last gen i3 plus $100 on a GPU.

On the GPU side AMD clearly wins with a better price/perf ratio. While you can find a GTX680 around $170-$250 on eBay or similir sites, there are a lot of 7970s which can be found at $100-$150 depending on your luck, and this is just an example of what you can find because the list goes on and on. Nvidia/Intel products tend to devalue slower than AMD products, which is also a good point for AMD.

One of the worst thing you can do is to become a fanboy of any manufacturer, both of them have very good products aimed to diferent market sectors, budgets and contries. Maybe you can spend $200-$400 on a CPU/GPU but there are people who can't and there is where AMD has it's strong side, as I said before, on tight or limited bugets with similar performance.

Say no to fanboys
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#20 ·
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Originally Posted by dixson01974 View Post

Just FYI IBM is Intel.
Isn't NVIDIA too?
I didn't know that...why do they both make server CPUs? As opposed to IBM for server grade and Intel for the average consumer.
Back in the 486s CPU days. IBM was tired of companies copying there CPUs. Ppl at the patton office said they can't patton a number, so IBM change there names on there CPU and Intel was born.
 
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#22 ·
I think its in everyone's Interest that AMD stays put. Firstly helps keep pricing under control and offers a budget solution, and gaming wise there is nothing wrong with AMD. Secondly the niche markets AMD tries and finds, ensures Intel works harder in these area's and therefore providing stronger products to compete. People forget AMD have released some very good products and that being said it could also happen again. This timeout period could provide a nice platform to provide something brilliant for a cost perspective, and there are plenty or people out there who support AMD which there is nothing wrong with at all.

I'm building a Mitx build and AMD Athlon x4 is the perfect CPU for my needs and at that price I can't go wrong. Maybe there will be the Athlon 128bit cpu next
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#24 ·
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Originally Posted by cssorkinman View Post

If the last batches of Vishera 8 cores are like the last Thuban and Deneb's were..... count me in for a few too.
Precisely.
I wish I had bought a dozen Thubans.
 
#25 ·
I love AMDs APUs. They really are on the right path with them.
Since 2012 the A10-5700 have been powering my HTPC and will do so for many more years.

On the other hand AMDs GPUs doesn't impress on me. They are hot, noisy and needs a lot of Watts.

Hopefully AMD can be bought as an independent subsidiary by Samsung or any other Asian Hi-tech company, if AMD comes to the decision, that they no longer can do it alone.
 
#26 ·
OK so I was recently shopping for a laptop around 600$. I can say that AMD has some very good options here, all with 1080p displays 8 gigs of ram and so on while at the same price on most Intel laptops you get and i3 or an i5U haswell and maaaybe an 840M. That got me interested and I searched around for more laptops with APUs and from what i saw owners are happy with them (not one complaining about performance or heat).
 
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