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It's hard to believe an entire company revolves around stealing other people's intellectual property!! Have you seen this?
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So since this has become the unofficial Monsoon thread... anyone have a spare D5 mount end cap for these they want to get rid of? They're still not in stock on PPCS and I wanna buildddddddd
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@jvillaveces stupid phone makes things hard lol.

I would agree about thermaltake, however your example is a bad one. Making a mandrel isn't copying anyone there's only so many ways you can make a mandrel and I seen ones that look very similar in other industry's long before monsoon made it.

Me and ceader had this convo the other day about the dark side ones. Sorry to say but you guys are getting a little out of control on that one.

That's like apple saying Samsung stole there rectangle phone with rounded corners.

A mandrel is a mandrel it was long before monsoon made it and it looked frightfully close to monsoons. Monsoon rocks for putting it out first and making them nice but they did not invent the wheel.
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post #1284 of 4451
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Thanks for reminding me Don,

I know this was asked earlier and I looked for the post but couldn't find it. Any idea when the internal ccfls will be coming out? And will they need specific end caps?.

We tried to ship them before the Chinese New year but ran out of time.

They will not require a special end cap or a special port. Any G 1/4 port will work provided there is room lengthwise for the CCFL. There will be six lengths available (just like the reservoir tubes) 50mm to 300mm in 50mm increments.
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@jvillaveces stupid phone makes things hard lol.

I would agree about thermaltake, however your example is a bad one. Making a mandrel isn't copying anyone there's only so many ways you can make a mandrel and I seen ones that look very similar in other industry's long before monsoon made it.

Me and ceader had this convo the other day about the dark side ones. Sorry to say but you guys are getting a little out of control on that one.

That's like apple saying Samsung stole there rectangle phone with rounded corners.

A mandrel is a mandrel it was long before monsoon made it and it looked frightfully close to monsoons. Monsoon rocks for putting it out first and making them nice but they did not invent the wheel.

I would agree with that under normal circumstances and I certainly don't want to be that "bitter guy" but there are a few points to add at the very least. I didn't just make simple mandrels and toss them on the market. I designed the mandrels to work with our center line measuring and bending system, took the time to make all the how to videos, then released the mandrel kits to resellers at our cost. I did that because I was seeing all these quickie videos of companies bending tube around soup cans and saying it was easier than soft tube etc. In my view that was a disservice to the WC and modding community because noobs see that, believe it and then when they don't get the results they expect they get discouraged and our community suffers.

If I stripped out all the brackets and hardware that goes into the kits we could cut our costs a lot but the tools would not be nearly as functional. I also could have passed on the hundreds of questions I answered in emails and on forums to get "the group" up to speed on how all these tools work together.

All of the above said your point is still correct. I am very appreciative to all the guys that have emailed me about this and/or posted supportive messages, but end of the day there is nothing I can do about it and the community as a whole now has much better tools for running hard lines. That was the original goal so lets chalk it up as a win and go build something cool =)
Edited by BoxGods - 1/30/16 at 10:52am
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I would agree with that under normal circumstances and I certainly don't want to be that "bitter guy" but there are a few points to add at the very least. I didn't just make simple mandrels and toss them on the market. I designed the mandrels to work with our center line measuring and bending system, took the time to make all the how to videos, then released the mandrel kits to resellers at our cost. I did that because I was seeing all these quickie videos of companies bending tube around soup cans and saying it was easier than soft tube etc. In my view that was a disservice to the WC and modding community because noobs see that, believe it and then when they don't get the results they expect they get discouraged and our community suffers.

If I stripped out all the brackets and hardware that goes into the kits we could cut our costs a lot but the tools would not be nearly as functional. I also could have passed on the hundreds of questions I answered in emails and on forums to get "the group" up to speed on how all these tools work together.

All of the above said your point is still correct. I am very appreciative to all the guys that have emailed me about this and/or posted supportive messages, but end of the day there is nothing I can do about it and the community as a whole now has much better tools for running hard lines. That was the original goal so lets chalk it up as a win and go build something cool =)

Well I don't know about the thermal take version, however I do know the darkaide ones are pretty cheaply made and not very nice.

That was kinda the way I said it to ceader, I do not think anyone that would want the monsoon version would buy the dark sides.

Someone that will use it 1 time every 4 years isnt going to want to pay 50 dollars.
However 12 they might. But that won't change whether dark side made them or not, those are the people that would use bottle caps ect.

The guy that re does his build all the ime or does many than the quality ones you produce would be better suited, and the 50 could be justified.

I also want to say I didn't mean that no thought or work went into the design I'm sure it did. and I appreciate what you have made for the community very much.

I am just saying that there isn't anyway to make a mandrel really outside of the way you did. So people should go a little easier on darkside, ceader said well they should make there 180 square, well that doesn't even make since lol.

The shape of the mandrel is the shape it has to be there isn't any other shape it could be lol. That is all I am saying, it does suck that people are muscling in on your design, I'm just saying it was hard not to.

I would still recommend that people buy yours as they seem much better, I think you win by quality. That is aside from the people that won't use it enough to justify the cost.

I think the same about the CL thing though, it was wrong what they did however I don't think it will affect there business.

People that will buy that would never buy a CL case due to money issues ect, they would rather have the cheap Chinese junk.

That's what drives many people to CL, I am moving to them because I am sick of junk even my 900d (350 dollar case) is cheap junk IMO. smile.gif.

Sorry if I offended you that wasn't my intent, I am very happy to have you and your products in our industry, you revolutionize a lot of stuff.

To the light tubes hmm, how do they work do you have a pic of a prototype. Will they not work with coupler systems then? Does it take up the g1/4s on either side? Or can 1 still be used as a port.
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I know my "message" got a little muddled there--not that great at communication--but I was agreeing with you. We are driven by innovation and customer service and as my wife tells me every time this happens, "If you're not getting knocked off you're not innovating".

On the CCFL Plugs. They WILL work on reservoirs with couplers provided you manage your lengths. As an example, if you wanted three CCFL bulbs in your 200mm single tube reservoir you could use a 3 port cap on either end and 200mm CCFL's. If you had a reservoir with two 150mm tube segments (and a coupler) you could use the 300mm CCFL plugs. I am slightly dreading releasing these as I know there will be a little confusion at first--especially as the TRP part has the anti-vortex trident now so I had to shorten the CCFL's about 20mm to compensate for that.

I will post more information as we get closer to shipping.
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I would agree with that under normal circumstances and I certainly don't want to be that "bitter guy" but there are a few points to add at the very least. I didn't just make simple mandrels and toss them on the market. I designed the mandrels to work with our center line measuring and bending system, took the time to make all the how to videos, then released the mandrel kits to resellers at our cost. I did that because I was seeing all these quickie videos of companies bending tube around soup cans and saying it was easier than soft tube etc. In my view that was a disservice to the WC and modding community because noobs see that, believe it and then when they don't get the results they expect they get discouraged and our community suffers.

If I stripped out all the brackets and hardware that goes into the kits we could cut our costs a lot but the tools would not be nearly as functional. I also could have passed on the hundreds of questions I answered in emails and on forums to get "the group" up to speed on how all these tools work together.

All of the above said your point is still correct. I am very appreciative to all the guys that have emailed me about this and/or posted supportive messages, but end of the day there is nothing I can do about it and the community as a whole now has much better tools for running hard lines. That was the original goal so lets chalk it up as a win and go build something cool =)

Well I don't know about the thermal take version, however I do know the darkaide ones are pretty cheaply made and not very nice.

That was kinda the way I said it to ceader, I do not think anyone that would want the monsoon version would buy the dark sides.

Someone that will use it 1 time every 4 years isnt going to want to pay 50 dollars.
However 12 they might. But that won't change whether dark side made them or not, those are the people that would use bottle caps ect.

The guy that re does his build all the ime or does many than the quality ones you produce would be better suited, and the 50 could be justified.

I also want to say I didn't mean that no thought or work went into the design I'm sure it did. and I appreciate what you have made for the community very much.

I am just saying that there isn't anyway to make a mandrel really outside of the way you did. So people should go a little easier on darkside, ceader said well they should make there 180 square, well that doesn't even make since lol.

The shape of the mandrel is the shape it has to be there isn't any other shape it could be lol. That is all I am saying, it does suck that people are muscling in on your design, I'm just saying it was hard not to.

I would still recommend that people buy yours as they seem much better, I think you win by quality. That is aside from the people that won't use it enough to justify the cost.

I think the same about the CL thing though, it was wrong what they did however I don't think it will affect there business.

People that will buy that would never buy a CL case due to money issues ect, they would rather have the cheap Chinese junk.

That's what drives many people to CL, I am moving to them because I am sick of junk even my 900d (350 dollar case) is cheap junk IMO. smile.gif.

Sorry if I offended you that wasn't my intent, I am very happy to have you and your products in our industry, you revolutionize a lot of stuff.

To the light tubes hmm, how do they work do you have a pic of a prototype. Will they not work with coupler systems then? Does it take up the g1/4s on either side? Or can 1 still be used as a port.

Well let's call a Dalmatian a Dalmatian here since you kinda took that out of context.

I was referring to that as a form of innovation and you took it literally.

Change the design and make it your own if you're gonna pirate off someone was all I was saying. And if you believe that's impossible then, well you've been literally proven wrong. Case in point Tt's new Mandrel kit which includes a 45*/ 90* mandrel. It's obviously based off Monsoon, but at least they had the common sense to make it theirs. So not only is it possible, but it has been done. Just because madrels have been around since the dawn of plumbing, doesn't mean that they are any different than any other intellectual property. I'd be a little buggered if someone put out an exact model of something that I spent time and money to put to market. So imho, just because it's plastic and black and mandrels doesn't make it justifiable. And to make matters worse it was done by someone who is in the business. mellowsmiley.gif

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Well let's call a Dalmatian a Dalmatian here since you kinda took that out of context.

I was referring to that as a form of innovation and you took it literally.

Change the design and make it your own if you're gonna pirate off someone was all I was saying. And if you believe that's impossible then, well you've been literally proven wrong. Case in point Tt's new Mandrel kit which includes a 45*/ 90* mandrel. It's obviously based off Monsoon, but at least they had the common sense to make it theirs. So not only is it possible, but it has been done. Just because madrels have been around since the dawn of plumbing, doesn't mean that they are any different than any other intellectual property. I'd be a little buggered if someone put out an exact model of something that I spent time and money to put to market. So imho, just because it's plastic and black and mandrels doesn't make it justifiable. And to make matters worse it was done by someone who is in the business. mellowsmiley.gif

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Ya I 100% agree with that, I would also be super mad if I was Gene. However then I would realize as he did "imatation is a form of flattery".

I didn't much look at the TT ones, just seen people saying they copied monsoon. I do get what your saying I just think its kinda hard is all. At the end of the day monsoon made them first he will get credit he is the innovator and that hasn't changed.

However that shows my point I was making. You said TT did innovate, however the thread above is bashing them for copying monsoon. You said they made them differently, yet there still getting bashed for "copying".

I just think people are a little too quick to scream IP theft, not just in this case but in many others.

I run into the same thing with other hobby's as well, like my other kinda hobby vaping.

There's only so many ways you can make a round battery tube yet all the time people say oh you stole xxx IP. When really there just all round metal tubes hahaha.

Sorry for bringing you up wasn't trying to be mean or nothing, just we just had that convo is all.
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Anyone knows when this product will be back in stock????

Monsoon MMRS End Cap with D5 Pump Mount - Black

http://www.performance-pcs.com/monsoon-mmrs-end-cap-with-d5-pump-mount-black.html#
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