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Also, one other item. I have never seen the compression ring tear up a lock collar like that. Because all of the abrasion is on one side it suggests that the tube was pretty far out of alignment and you hat to force it over into place pretty severely when you installed it. That causes the tube to hit the fitting base at a pretty steep angle. Not optimal for obvious reasons

Before you cut the tube I would suggest trying two seals (double them up) as you might just be very unevenly "mapped" onto the base because of that angle and that could be causing the leak.

Geno, I'm well aware of the effects of alcohol on acrylic, so no alcohol, or Windex, or anything similar, near my loop. Your advice about a double gasket sounds appealing, but even if it worked, I'd be forever nervous about that joint, so I'm still going to redo the whole thing. You won't believe me until you see it with your own eyes, but the abrasion is not localized, it's more circular in nature. As soon as I'm done posting this, I'll get to work on the new tube. PM me a mailing address and I will send you the pieces so you can do a proper necropsy. If I have caused this situastion through some stupid mistake, I'm very interested in learning about it so I don't keep repeating it. If (as I would obviously prefer to think) the problem is with the product and not with the consumer, I'm sure YOU would be interested in finding out.

Would you mind not being so reasonable? Sheesh, this is the internet, flip the hell out man! biggrin.gif
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OK then, so how's this: Geno, send me your address so I can stage a drive-by shooting?

He's kidding, folks. Don't take that out of context please.
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In the first picture there is a vertical line from the top to the bottom of the collar. That's a crack, My tubing is Monsoon PETG. I've only run distilled water in the loop up to this point, and I've never used alcohol on any part of the loop. The tubing was cut with a tubing cutter, and the end is actually nice and smooth, what appears to be cracks on it is actually uneven glue between tube and collar. The abrasions on the outside are caused by the compression ring rubbing against the lock collar when screwed on and off.

EDIT: I will remake that tube segment tonight, which will require cutting in half to recover the compression rings. Geno, if you are interested, I can mail you the pieces so that you can inspect them in person.

I would actually like to see them if it is not a huge amount of trouble for you. I feel a little bad when I have to ask questions to figure out what is going on because I know it sounds like I am trying to point the finger at you--there really is no other way to gather information and not sound that way. You said you used a tube cutter? A rotary wheel type? Those are intended for metal tube and cut by applying a LOT of pressure to the tube to create that break point. They are not really intended for cutting plastic tube--maybe they are OK on semi flexible tube like poly pipe but not so much on rigid plastic tube.

When we mention alcohol the intent is not that you might be running alcohol in your loop. There is a sort of "initiation" type mistake that pretty much everyone that is new to modding makes (I did it myself in a HUGE way) where you take Windex or a similar window cleaner or denatured alcohol and clean acrylic parts with it prior to a bonding or painting operation. Alcohol causes some plastics to crack like ice trays. Sometimes you wipe the part down and within minutes it is just destroyed. Other times it might take hours or even weeks for the cracks to form. That is why you should always clean plastic parts with warm soapy water (aka dish soap) and never use any type of glass cleaner.

The lock collars are Poly Carbonate which is often referred to as "Lexan". It is virtually shatter proof which is why it is often used in safety goggles. Below is a picture of the old/original acrylic lock collars and the newer poly carbonate we switched to. It is the highly scientific stomp test. Put the lock collars on the floor and stomp the crap out of them. The PC collar was compressed with so much force that it creased on each side and it still deformed rather than cracking.


This is a picture of the tube back in my system before cutting it up. You can clearly see that the tube itself fits well -- notice how the compression rings are completely unfastened. You can also clearly see the crack, perhaps better than in the close-up I posted earlier, and you can see the abrasion you mention is circular, not localized. I also hope you can see the collar was not savaged with pliers or any similar outrage. As I mentioned in a previous post, I have not wiped it with alcohol, and the tube is Monsoon petg so it should fit the collar. Like you, I am assuming this is in fact my mistake, I just want to know what it is, because I can't figure out what I may have done wrong.

PS: If my joke in a posted I have since deleted was in poor taste I apologize!


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Geno, I'm well aware of the effects of alcohol on acrylic, so no alcohol, or Windex, or anything similar, near my loop. Your advice about a double gasket sounds appealing, but even if it worked, I'd be forever nervous about that joint, so I'm still going to redo the whole thing. You won't believe me until you see it with your own eyes, but the abrasion is not localized, it's more circular in nature. As soon as I'm done posting this, I'll get to work on the new tube. PM me a mailing address and I will send you the pieces so you can do a proper necropsy. If I have caused this situastion through some stupid mistake, I'm very interested in learning about it so I don't keep repeating it. If (as I would obviously prefer to think) the problem is with the product and not with the consumer, I'm sure YOU would be interested in finding out.

Of course.
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I missed the post but no worries =)

And you used Poly lock collars correct? The package will have a stamp on an inside flap that reads "PC" or "POLY" depending on the available space. Even though we made the material switch over 8 months ago I still see somebody from time to time that either bought the fittings a long time ago and just didn't use them for a while or bought them recently from a reseller who had stock sitting on a shelf for a while.

I don't doubt anything you are telling me BTW. I ask to eliminate any known possibilities. If you have poly collars it is close to impossible to crack them. If you are using the recommended UV cure adhesive and cured it correctly (with Sunlight) it is pretty hard to have a single void big enough or a combination of smaller voids with a leak path. I am not exaggerating when I say you REALLY have to work at screwing the glue up badly enough for there to be a leak. Not you specifically, I mean users in general. It is just hard to get the adhesive that wrong--not impossible but pretty hard.

I am going to assume you checked both seals for cat hair/lint/debris as that is the most common reason for a leak.

I also do not know why you are getting all that scratching on the lock collar from the compression ring. There is almost a mm of free space. Anyone with some of these fittings sitting around can have a look and verify that. Those scratches in the pictures look substantial--deep enough that you can see the compression ring tried to cut threads.

I know when you are the guy having an issue it is easy to think there is a problem with the product. Just like I always have to resist the urge to think it is a customer error--both are normal for this dynamic. All I can tell you is that I have personally installed literally hundreds of these, I have an open shop policy here for my buddies and a lot of the neighborhood tweens and teens and I have watched them install hundreds of these without issue. There are thousands of users world wide that have used them without issue also. With all of that said every once in a while there is a customer that has an issue that is really hard to figure out...
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