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Hmm... Something must have gone wrong with the unit I had. I can't take any better photos of it anymore (as it's been returned), but it very much felt like two separate pieces glued together. I was able to run my fingernail through the joint. The "leak" was definitely in that joint.

(I'm not criticizing you or your process... I'm just saying that one might have slipped past the normal process. No harm was done in this case, and I don't mind the slight inconvenience if it helps to make an awesome product better.)

If you want to try and watch for the return to check the issue, let me know and I'll PM you the original order info (which, I'm hoping, you'd be able to use to get the seller to flag the return for your attention.)
Okay, then I don't need to be concerned about it at all. It might even go away on its own in a few weeks (assuming I don't tear it down for a bigger res before then.) Next time, I'll carefully wash the washers in addition to the acrylic.

(in reference to your MMRS videos): I wonder if I shoved some cat hair up near the o-ring if it'd absorb the oil. tongue.gif

There is a cap (it is molded) so there are two pieces (cap and tube) but they are welded together in a fixture with Ultra Sonic Vibration, (USW). The process uses vibration focused on the seam to melt the plastic of the two parts and fuse them together. It is a really interesting process.

On the cat hair...we have something like 10 cats so it is a part of my daily life. My wife corrects me at least 5 times a day because I get their names wrong.
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Ew- cats -1 for monsoon
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Ew- cats -1 for monsoon

Well I also have four dogs and if you measure by weight that is like 40 x more than the cats thumb.gif
Edited by BoxGods - 9/24/17 at 11:44pm
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It looks like I won't be able to use the CCFL lens for the LED's. Tried again over the weekend with a different CCFL lens: This time, I only used a single strip (20) LED's instead of two strips. I also ran the LED's at 3.3v instead of 5v, AND configured their brightness at only 30%. In this configuration, the LED's didn't even get warm. (Using only a single LED strip, I was able to slide a thermistor all the way into the tube to keep an eye on temps.)

Temps inside the CCFL lens were about 2-3 C above temps outside the lens. I think this is lower than the amount of heat generated by the actual CCFL.

However, after 4-6 hours in the reservoir, the CCFL tube still filled with water. In fact, this time the result was much worse: the (not waterproof) LED strip was completely submerged in water. Thankfully, nothing was destroyed except the LED's. Like last time, the point of failure was at the joint between the plug and tube.

Conclusion: Either I'm extremely unlucky with the black/UV ccfl tube lenses, or *something* about these LED's is somehow disrupting the ultrasonic weld. I've never heard of LED's having that kind of impact on plastic, but I don't have any other reasonable explanation.

@BoxGods, that vendor is probably going to send you back a black/UV 100mm CCFL tube (from my previous return) as defective/leaks. At this point, it appears that the LED's might have caused the leak, so I'm responsible for the cost of the returned item. Please let me know how much and where to send money. (Prefer paypal.)

Take care
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Why not just diy a fix, since your diying all else, silicone is cheap, and seals well

At box gods, sorry it is like credit, really easy to lose, but really hard to gain
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Why not just diy a fix, since your diying all else, silicone is cheap, and seals well
Would there be any harmful effects of silicon in a water cooling loop?

If I knew what type of plastic the tube (and plug) was made from, I might try to pursue a solvent that would chemically weld the parts together.

Of course, until I understand WHY the LED strip seemed to cause a leak, I'm not sure how to solve the problem properly. Silicon or a chemical weld might fare no better than the ultrasonic weld.
    
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Why not just diy a fix, since your diying all else, silicone is cheap, and seals well
Would there be any harmful effects of silicon in a water cooling loop?

If I knew what type of plastic the tube (and plug) was made from, I might try to pursue a solvent that would chemically weld the parts together.

Of course, until I understand WHY the LED strip seemed to cause a leak, I'm not sure how to solve the problem properly. Silicon or a chemical weld might fare no better than the ultrasonic weld.

One of my cfl tubes filled with fluid one day too. I came home and had a pool of coolant on top of the res and one of the two tubes were full. Never did figure out how it happened and it hasn't happened since. Maybe the UV glue for the hardline fittings would work? Also, I'm pretty sure orings are made of silicone so there shouldn't be any issues using it.
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One of my cfl tubes filled with fluid one day too. I came home and had a pool of coolant on top of the res and one of the two tubes were full. Never did figure out how it happened and it hasn't happened since. Maybe the UV glue for the hardline fittings would work?

The same CCFL tube hasn't caused you a problem since, or did you replace it? When you had the issue, was the knurled top "cap" piece properly secured to the CCFL tube? The reason I'm asking is that I'm starting to think that the plug on the end of the CCFL lens tube might not be watertight (or pressure tight?) in MANY of them (but it doesn't matter.) Let me explain:

Terms (not accurate, but hopefully prevents confusion in my explanation):

CCFL bulb : the actual CCFL bulb with wires coming out of it

CCFL tube (or lens tube): the transparent or semi-transparent outer tube that keeps the CCFL bulb dry (and has a male threaded end.)

"knurled female threaded thing": The colored metal piece that threads to the CCFL lens tube.

CCFL tube plug: The solid plastic "plug" that's ultrasonic welded to the CCFL lens tube

Explanation:

If you remove the CCFL bulb from the tube, and then yank the knurled female threaded end off the CCFL bulb, you'll find that there's a rubber gasket attached to the CCFL bulb.. When that knurled female piece is properly threaded and tightened to the CCFL lens tube, it presses that gasket against the CCFL lens tube, sealing and creating an air lock (not an airlock), preventing water from flowing up the CCFL lens tube even if the little plastic CCFL tube plug isn't properly sealing against the CCFL lens tube.

In other words, it's possible that the "CCFL tube plug" isn't air/water tight in the majority of installations, but no one notices because the gasket on the CCFL bulb blocks air from escaping the tube (and that prevents water from pushing into the tube.)

THIS would explain the "leaks" in both of my CCFL lens tubes, as I didn't have any type of gasket or anything else blocking air... so water flowed into the CCFL tube freely.

One way to test this guess is to use a CCFL tube that is "known good" in an active reservoir, and take the CCFL bulb out (leaving just the CCFL lens tube in.) Run the machine for a few hours like that (heating it up, etc) and then check to see if any water made its way into the CCFL lens tube. (Or, is water is flowing out the top.)

An easier test would be to just fill the CCFL lens tube with water, seal it against your lips, and blow into it. I'll go try that now with my last remaining CCFL tube (a blue one that I actually use with a CCFL bulb.) Watch this space for an update...

So.... my original LED idea was flawed with a bad assumption. I had assumed that the CCFL tube plug was watertight by itself.
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Originally Posted by Deedaz View Post

One of my cfl tubes filled with fluid one day too. I came home and had a pool of coolant on top of the res and one of the two tubes were full. Never did figure out how it happened and it hasn't happened since. Maybe the UV glue for the hardline fittings would work?

The same CCFL tube hasn't caused you a problem since, or did you replace it? When you had the issue, was the knurled top "cap" piece properly secured to the CCFL tube? The reason I'm asking is that I'm starting to think that the plug on the end of the CCFL lens tube might not be watertight (or pressure tight?) in MANY of them (but it doesn't matter.) Let me explain:

Terms (not accurate, but hopefully prevents confusion in my explanation):

CCFL bulb : the actual CCFL bulb with wires coming out of it

CCFL tube (or lens tube): the transparent or semi-transparent outer tube that keeps the CCFL bulb dry (and has a male threaded end.)

"knurled female threaded thing": The colored metal piece that threads to the CCFL lens tube.

CCFL tube plug: The solid plastic "plug" that's ultrasonic welded to the CCFL lens tube

Explanation:

If you remove the CCFL bulb from the tube, and then yank the knurled female threaded end off the CCFL bulb, you'll find that there's a rubber gasket attached to the CCFL bulb.. When that knurled female piece is properly threaded and tightened to the CCFL lens tube, it presses that gasket against the CCFL lens tube, sealing and creating an air lock (not an airlock), preventing water from flowing up the CCFL lens tube even if the little plastic CCFL tube plug isn't properly sealing against the CCFL lens tube.

In other words, it's possible that the "CCFL tube plug" isn't air/water tight in the majority of installations, but no one notices because the gasket on the CCFL bulb blocks air from escaping the tube (and that prevents water from pushing into the tube.)

THIS would explain the "leaks" in both of my CCFL lens tubes, as I didn't have any type of gasket or anything else blocking air... so water flowed into the CCFL tube freely.

One way to test this guess is to use a CCFL tube that is "known good" in an active reservoir, and take the CCFL bulb out (leaving just the CCFL lens tube in.) Run the machine for a few hours like that (heating it up, etc) and then check to see if any water made its way into the CCFL lens tube. (Or, is water is flowing out the top.)

An easier test would be to just fill the CCFL lens tube with water, seal it against your lips, and blow into it. I'll go try that now with my last remaining CCFL tube (a blue one that I actually use with a CCFL bulb.) Watch this space for an update...

So.... my original LED idea was flawed with a bad assumption. I had assumed that the CCFL tube plug was watertight by itself.

I actually replaced it, didn't want to take any chances. Now that I think about it, I did try to resleeve the cable but gave up after messing with that gasket piece. I may not have actually gotten it back together properly but you would think it would have failed immediately, not a month down the road.
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