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No, what has been "proven" is that Win10 collects a wide range of user data in order to provide services and security just like every single other major modern OS does. The tinfoil hat bit is in thinking there is some grand conspiracy in the bowels of MS and the NSA to sift through your oh-so-strategically-important pr0n collection and the contents of your highly relevant and vital inbox, up to and including your password resets to WoW. Yep, you guys here have so much to be worried about... rolleyes.gif

Yeah, if you drank the MS kool-aid.

How many times does it have to be said the the internet and Windows in general have worked just fine for over 20 years without it. Now all the sudden we need to let them spy so we can have "services and security"? Nah, you drank the kool-aid, you're the frog sitting in boiling water yet without a clue the water is boiling. Now is where all the old-heads that have been using Windows since you were in diapers are jumping ship from the boiling pot, and for good reason, while all the youngin's keep using it because they think the boiling water is normal.
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post #152 of 194
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You go ahead and enjoy Windows 10. I am not budging from 7 until this is resolved. DX12 or no DX12 . I am really fed up with the Feds.

+1, and I'm not even in the States (not that it matters, all nations are in bed with one another anyway)

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Now is the right time to interject and say...use Linux and you won't have to worry. Will only pacifists use Windows 10, and non-conformists, Linux. Will users wave the white flag of defeat and use Windows 10, and the rebels, Linux?

Works for me!

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Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post

No, what has been "proven" is that Win10 collects a wide range of user data in order to provide services and security just like every single other major modern OS does. The tinfoil hat bit is in thinking there is some grand conspiracy in the bowels of MS and the NSA to sift through your oh-so-strategically-important pr0n collection and the contents of your highly relevant and vital inbox, up to and including your password resets to WoW. Yep, you guys here have so much to be worried about... rolleyes.gif


You've missed the point. They won't know what they're monitoring until the analyse it. And once they've spent the resource analysing it, they'll get some use out of it. E.g. The NSA decrypting a Skype conversation between 2 college kids, one buying a 1/16 of weed off the other. The NSA won't care, but once they've spent resources busting into to it, say "might as well send that to the local PD now, it's only an e-mail away". Next thing, college kids are busted by the cops, out of nowhere from their perspective. You might say that having that conversation on Skype is stupid, but it's no better than using an iPhone thanks to Siri. Under Windows 10, with Cortana enabled, it's worse - just have a conversation in the same room about it, and the same can happen.

1984....sorry, 2015 - what a world we live in.
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Today this,tomorrow your "corporation" would know what is best for you. People are brainwashed already,
Sadly,that scenario is inevitable.

EDIT: I am shocked when somebody says: "if you got nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about"
I know that person is beyond repair. And there is more and more people which gladly saying that.


I completely agree with you when people say this ! Drives me mad !
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All the people who are saying that they've got nothing to hide....will you allow us to get into your hard drives, please? lol

Seriously, what will stop some corporations to use these spy agents to monitor everything their workers do in their spare time? You can already get fired for making an offensive joke, guess what can happen with this level of exposure...
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All the people who are saying that they've got nothing to hide....will you allow us to get into your hard drives, please? lol

Seriously, what will stop some corporations to use these spy agents to monitor everything their workers do in their spare time? You can already get fired for making an offensive joke, guess what can happen with this level of exposure...

Corporations that are bound by tight international privacy laws with heavy penalties for non complaince to specific regulation is a very different scenario to my allowing you, some random guy on a forum, to access certain aspects of my personal data.
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Corporations that are bound by tight international privacy laws with heavy penalties for non complaince to specific regulation is a very different scenario to my allowing you, some random guy on a forum, to access certain aspects of my personal data.

Pff, it's not like large corporations never pay the government any money. Yeah, they don't call it a bribe, but that doesn't mean it doesn't influence certain things to be overlooked.
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Corporations that are bound by tight international privacy laws with heavy penalties for non complaince to specific regulation is a very different scenario to my allowing you, some random guy on a forum, to access certain aspects of my personal data.

Why are you okay with sharing your personal data?
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Pff, it's not like large corporations never pay the government any money. Yeah, they don't call it a bribe, but that doesn't mean it doesn't influence certain things to be overlooked.

I'm hardly saying large corporations are the consumers knight in shining armour, worth noting though that Microsoft are currently challenging the US government in the supreme court because they're refusing to hand over the client data. Add in the push for device wide encryption by Google, Apple etc and it would be a stretch to claim they're all in bed together in the context you're implying.

Besides, Snowden has proved that governments have other means to simply bypass institutions that do not comply with their requests. Tapping backbone infrastructure requires no agreement from corporate entities at all.
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Why are you okay with sharing your personal data?

Because weighing up the services provided versus the privacy I surrender usually results in a net benefit to me?

Do I care that Google scans my email to provide targeted ads if I use Gmail? Not really. I find Gmail useful.

Do I care that my contacts and settings are backed up on a Google account so that when I buy a new phone, all my contact detail is automatically sync'd during the device setup? No. It makes my life easier.

Some services go too far for my liking, for example, I don't use any social media. I don't see any benefit to me personally for my documenting my life on Facebook. They offer me nothing of value.
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Corporations that are bound by tight international privacy laws with heavy penalties for non complaince to specific regulation is a very different scenario to my allowing you, some random guy on a forum, to access certain aspects of my personal data.

you are only thinking on the level of an ideal world except that is never the case, companies get hacked, personal data gets mishandled, personal data gets given out to affiliated corporate, privacy policies are changed on a whim to protect the company from potential lawsuits and to harvest more out of you.

sure a random guy might not be able to ask for your personal details (not that its hard fishing for your information on the web considering how most people handle their privacy) but at the same time im not giving authorities any ammo to self incriminate (guilty or not) nor am i willing to have some groups being affiliated with authorities or said company being able to spam and mine off us for their profits at my expense.

you would be surprised how much if your information gets leaked out when its handled by a 3rd party data entry company which in turn passes that on to their call center for cold calls and other misuse.

for as much as i can help it i refuse to aid in more unwanted personal data disclosures
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