Originally Posted by Dimaggio1103
Usually im right there with you, your a solid poster here IMO. But a bit off here. First off its not gamebryo its creation. It still has some code from gamebryo but not much. So to keep using it like that's all that was used to make it is outright wrong. Second there is a huge difference between Bethesda (who can be lazy or at least low standards) and the jerk face known as Sergey. Skyrim ran fine for me, new vegas ran fine for me as well, as did F3. I know they had some issues but are a far cry from DayZ's garbage. Its simply not ok to make that comparison.
The truth is we know nothing yet. THis is the first game being made for next gen with a fully implemented engine. We have seen some great looking screenshots, and some terrible leaked ones. People making their opinions fact long before we have samples in our hands are only misleading people. You don't know what its going to be like, nor do I for good or bad. I will say this though. Those of us who enjoy the series beyond its flaws know not to have high hopes and don't care regardless. We enjoy the story and atmosphere anyways. Your not converting anyone im sure, nor are we converting you, so the point in arguing this early is just stupid.
I may have exaggerated slightly with the reference to Sergey, but it was simply to illustrate a point that the poster I was replying to was completely missing: observable and consistent patterns should not be ignored simply because of a single new factor that does not inherently change the dynamic of the system.
In other words, moving to 64 bit isn't going to make Bethesda a different studio. They will still be Bethesda, they will still be making an open world game, and it will still be built on something that closely resembles GameBryo (even if it has a new name and uses some new code). Every time we have had this combination in the past, the results have been consistent. It is sensible to assume similar results this time as well.
As for Creation vs GameBryo - I understand they are using a "new" version of "creation" and not "GameBryo". Those however are just semantics. Creation IS
based on and fundamentally similar to GameBryo. Creation "2" or whatever you want to call this new update to Creation is still based on and fundamentally similar to GameBryo. The majority of the changes between GameBryo and Creation were strictly dealing with increased visual fidelity and nothing more. The updates to Creation that will be seen in FO4 that were not present in Skyrim are the addition of yet more graphical techniques, a few changes to the editor, and of course some yet-unknown amount of 64bit implementation.
Only that very last part (64bit) has the potential
(as in, best case scenario, assuming they have good implementation) to have any effect on the stability and fluidity of the game world, as opposed simply making it look shinier. Fundamentally, you could look at GameBryo > Creation > Creation update the same way you look at Unity 4.3 > Unity 4.6 > Unity 5.
Now, at the end of the day, we don't KNOW for certain how FO4 will turn out. Maybe Bethesda has actually put the time and effort into it this time around to make a complete and working game instead of something that is simply "good enough" for modders to carry the rest of the burden and yield an end result that is acceptable to "those of us who enjoy the series beyond its flaws know not to have high hopes and don't care regardless". Maybe... but history and common sense would indicate otherwise.
But, of course, you are correct. The die hard fans who can't accept any sort of criticism will not hear these words. They will simply come up with excuses to ignore every critical thought and ostracise said thought's originator. Similarly, those who want to hate Bethesda/FO4 simply for the sake of having something to hate will continue to do so. Facts are wasted on these people.
That said, it is my hope that there remain a few individuals out there who actually come to these discussions to learn something, rather than just reinforce their existing prejudice. It is for those people who I will continue to comment as factually and with as little bias as possible for an individual suffering the human condition, however unpopular that may be. The opinions formed by reading what I write... that is for the reader to determine.
PS - Me? Solid poster?! Nonsense. Begone foul trickster!