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Originally Posted by pegnose View Post

Replicate what exactly?


Good luck.
post #3302 of 5761
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Originally Posted by Silent Scone View Post

Good luck.

No, misunderstanding. Really.

I had reported two things here: the eventual hard lock, and the issue that my display wouldn't reactivate on boot CD memtest(s). I just wasn't sure which one you meant.

I wanted to suggest: let's not talk about this display-off problem during the boot CD memtest(s). I think this is a side issue, unrelated to the other thing.
post #3303 of 5761
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Originally Posted by Silent Scone View Post

Good luck.

The other thing, the hard lock:

I had updated the bios to 1402 a few days ago. And then I did a full reset (Bios battery inverted for 10 min). Then I left everything as it is. But the hard lock was still there.

I had tried different things. I had increased PCH voltage, same as DRAM voltage. Others were already increased due to the Multi Core Enhancement. Still the hard lock (this time onload during rebuild).

Then I had disabled onboard devices (USB 3.1, Hd Audio, Thunderbolt), and then finally the ASMedia Sata. Still getting the hard lock.

The again today I had the problem with the Sata HDDs not starting (clack, clack). So my current hypothesis is the PSU, as weird as it seems.
post #3304 of 5761
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Good luck.

If you are really done with it, I can understand. In any case: thanks for the good intentions.

I am done at least for today. Have to get my head out of this for a while.
post #3305 of 5761
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Originally Posted by pegnose View Post

The other thing, the hard lock:

I had updated the bios to 1402 a few days ago. And then I did a full reset (Bios battery inverted for 10 min). Then I left everything as it is. But the hard lock was still there.

I had tried different things. I had increased PCH voltage, same as DRAM voltage. Others were already increased due to the Multi Core Enhancement. Still the hard lock (this time onload during rebuild).

Then I had disabled onboard devices (USB 3.1, Hd Audio, Thunderbolt), and then finally the ASMedia Sata. Still getting the hard lock.

The again today I had the problem with the Sata HDDs not starting (clack, clack). So my current hypothesis is the PSU, as weird as it seems.

I had a similar issue a while back. After stress testing with Prime 95 or Realbench overnight, I'd wake up to a locked system. Resetting would bring windows back up, but it would lock up partway through loading some of the programs that start automatically (The first version of windows 10 was very buggy with my hardware/drivers, especially because the only way to install it without crashes was to upgrade from 7 and copy it over from a different SSD).

My on-board Wi-Fi would also be missing. I'd have to pull the power and remove the battery (Invert implies you are reversing it so the + touches - and vice versa. If this is what is happening, it can't be too healthy, although I wouldn't have thought it would cause any lasting damage) to get my Wi-Fi to come back on again.

In my case a bios update fixed this, I had no more locking up issues, and Wi-Fi stayed on after 8 hours of any stress test.

I'm interested to see how your windows install is handling driver timings etc. Could you download and run Latencymon and see if anything jumps out at you? Before my recent re-install some latencies (Nvidia and DX) were jumping all over the place, and Hard Faults kept on racking up. With the fresh install of the most recent version of windows, this all went away.

I'm sure Silent Scone has his best intentions to help. (sorry if that doesn't make grammatical sense, I've just woken up and sentence structure isn't my strong point right now)
Edited by Deders - 1/24/16 at 1:15pm
post #3306 of 5761
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Originally Posted by Deders View Post

I had a similar issue a while back. After stress testing with Prime 95 or Realbench overnight, I'd wake up to a locked system. Resetting would bring windows back up, but it would lock up partway through loading some of the programs that start automatically (The first version of windows 10 was very buggy with my hardware/drivers, especially because the only way to install it without crashes was to upgrade from 7 and copy it over from a different SSD).

My on-board Wi-Fi would also be missing. I'd have to pull the power and remove the battery (Invert implies you are reversing it so the + touches - and vice versa. If this is what is happening, it can't be too healthy, although I wouldn't have thought it would cause any lasting damage) to get my Wi-Fi to come back on again.

In my case a bios update fixed this, I had no more locking up issues, and Wi-Fi stayed on after 8 hours of any stress test.

I'm interested to see how your windows install is handling driver timings etc. Could you download and run Latencymon and see if anything jumps out at you? Before my recent re-install some latencies (Nvidia and DX) were jumping all over the place, and Hard Faults kept on racking up. With the fresh install of the most recent version of windows, this all went away.

I'm sure Silent Scone has his best intentions to help. (sorry if that doesn't make grammatical sense, I've just woken up and sentence structure isn't my strong point right now)


I am sure he has. And I don't doubt the overclocking expertise of these guys here in any way. I find it highly impressive what they achieve!

Thanks for the hint, I will have a look at Latencymon. I am more and more convinced that it has to do with the Sata HDDs (the first two months without them was trouble free, IIRC). In the beginning I thought the inevitable raid resync after a hard lock was only an effect. But with the immediate freeze after my last resync after switching to the Intel controller, and with the startup issues of the drives... Either the PSU is at fault or something with the drive management is wrong. Possibly a driver issue, right. Only, it is with MS drivers and Intel drivers, and MS drivers and ASMedia drivers in the case of the ASM1061. Don't know.

I think I will try with only one of the drives after the next freeze and finally eliminate both of them. I have already disabled the Intellipark feature (parking the drive head regularly; default is after 8 s) and Link State Power Management in the Intel Storage Console. We'll see. Also, I can install Win10 clean without any of the drives that were ever attached to the machine. I only doubt that it actually has anything to do with voltages, frequencies and such. I tried all this already. It has also proven consistent across bios versions.
post #3307 of 5761
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Originally Posted by pegnose View Post

No, misunderstanding. Really.

I had reported two things here: the eventual hard lock, and the issue that my display wouldn't reactivate on boot CD memtest(s). I just wasn't sure which one you meant.

I wanted to suggest: let's not talk about this display-off problem during the boot CD memtest(s). I think this is a side issue, unrelated to the other thing.
The screen lock is particular to memtest boot cd (video driver is basic) - this should not be an issue for this thread - best done at the HCI forum if that;s still bugging you.
The ability to crash or boot-hang a rig following significant abuse is not likely a hardware problem per se, IF the system can withstand a proper set of stability test:
1) CPU : x264 20 loops, IBT 10 loops, and OCCT 30-60min (or more). 4 and 6 core: p95 28.7 custom blend, 5min/FFT for at lewast 1 hour, best is 2+ hours. (these are conducted with all other components at stock)
2) Ram: 1000% HCI memtest run according to the author's instructions. Commit at least 85% of total ram or 85% of available ram.
Set an OC if you are inclined
Repeat 1 and 2 above.
3) AID 64 Cache stress test for at least 2 hours
4) Realbench for 1+ hours.
5) Run a series of bencharks (futuremark, unigine etc... )

After that - if the system crashes during that cluster-**** you ran earlier, I think you know what the cause is. thumb.gif

note regarding LatMon - any software polling hardware is an interrupt/dpc. run latmon directly after a fresh boot has set idle for 5 min.
Edited by Jpmboy - 1/24/16 at 4:14pm
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CPUCPUMotherboardGraphics
i7 5960X i7 6950X Asus Rampage V Extreme (STD and model-10) 2 GTX TitanXp 
GraphicsRAMHard DriveHard Drive
2 GTX Titan X Pascal GSkill 3200c14 TZs 8x8GB @ 3400c13 Intel 750 NVMe 400GB 2x Plextor SSD 256 Raid 0 (Win 7) 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingCooling
Samsung NVMe 950 Pro M.2 Plextor 810 Aquacomputer GiGant 1680 (4x420) external Rad XSPC RX360 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Koolance 380i Laing DDC-1T (2) Koolance EXC-800 Chiller Windows 10 x64  
OSOSMonitorMonitor
Windows 7 Pro Linux Mint ASUS Swift 1440P 144Hz Seiki 50" 4K monitor (720P-2160i) 240-30Hz 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Das Keyboard Model S Pro Corsair AX1500i MicroCool Banchetto 101 Steelseries Rival 
AudioOther
Ultimate Ears TF10 Koolance Pump/Fan Controller 
CPUCPUCPUMotherboard
i5 6600K i7 7700K i3 7350 ASUS Max iX APEX, Asrock MOCF, M8Impact 
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G.Skill 4266c19 Samsung SM951 WD VR 300 Intel 750 NVMe U.2 
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post #3308 of 5761
Does anyone have the Z170-WS board? I'm pretty interested in it but I can't seem to find any reviews and it isn't for sale on any of the big sites either.
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Originally Posted by Jpmboy View Post

The screen lock is particular to memtest boot cd (video driver is basic) - this should not be an issue for this thread - best done at the HCI forum if that;s still bugging you.
The ability to crash or boot-hang a rig following significant abuse is not likely a hardware problem per se, IF the system can withstand a proper set of stability test:
1) CPU : x264 20 loops, IBT 10 loops, and OCCT 30-60min (or more). 4 and 6 core: p95 28.7 custom blend, 5min/FFT for at lewast 1 hour, best is 2+ hours. (these are conducted with all other components at stock)
2) Ram: 1000% HCI memtest run according to the anther's instructions. Comitt at least 85% of total ram or 85% of available ram.
Set an OC if you are inclined
Repeat 1 and 2 above.
3) AID 64 Cache stress test for at least 2 hours
4) Realbench for 1+ hours.
5) Run a series of bencharks (futuremark, unigine etc... )

After that - if the system crashes during that cluster-**** you ran earlier, I think you know what the cause is. thumb.gif

not regarding LatMon - any software polling hardware is an interrupt/dpc. run latmon directly after a fresh boot has set idle for 5 min.

Thanks, I will go through the list. The thing is: my system did not crash during my cluster-nonsense.
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What particularly should I look for in LatencyMon?
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