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Just out of curiosity: do you have LPM enabled (in Bios and RST console)?

As Win10 is really good with SSDs by now (you can manually trim -> "optimize"), I wouldn't think that it sends those to sleep. But who knows.

Well, unless your drives will sleep for longer times (hours), it is really hard to tell what is better for your budget: power saving or hardware preservation (by not wearing the mechanics off). If you have 2 drives, you'll probably save <10 W in 50% of the time. If your machine actually runs 24/7/52, that saves you 43.8 kWh. That would cost me roughly $13, and that is green power.

LPM - Link state power management? Enabled.

Many hours of HDD sleep indeed, it's a home workstation with 2 x 6TB WD reds, 2 x 850 EVO, 850 Pro and a PCIe SSD for system drive (not relevant to the sleep issue), don't ask about the storage requirements but I'd think it could equate to a fair amount of power saving over the course of a year... More the unnecessary wastage caused by driver behavior that I'm pondering... Not to mention the hardware preservation you speak of!

Also for the record that's not a Z170 rig, but the one in the house exhibits identical behavior with RST installed...
Edited by DS4130 - 1/25/16 at 3:55pm
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Did somebody check out the "ASMedia USB 3.1 FW update tool"?

Yeap works just fine and dandy as expected

http://www.overclock.net/t/1568154/asus-north-america-asus-z170-motherboards-q-a-thread/3010#post_24792450
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Well, I spent the last 3-4 days trying just about every combination of CSM settings. I think Deders was on the right track by questioning my Win7 Installation DVD. I also think my bootable USB was set up incorrectly, which is why neither allowed me to load WIN7 in UEFI mode. When it did work and actually install Windows, it was doing so by fluke when CSM was set to Auto, and actually using UEFI & Legacy OPROM setting.

I found a link on how to create an UEFI bootable USB using a program called Rufus and downloaded a copy of Win7 64-bit ISO file from Microsoft:

http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/15458-uefi-bootable-usb-flash-drive-create-windows.html

Although the instructions are fairly straight-forward, I'm a little confused on a couple of requirements/instructions and need some advice and help.

•Set the boot mode to use UEFI and not CSM (Compatibility Support Module) in your UEFI firmware settings.
•Temporarily disable Secure Boot in your UEFI firmware settings. Some motherboards will not boot from a USB unless you do this first. When the Windows installation is finished, you can enable secure boot if you like.
•If you have fast boot or ultra-fast boot enabled in your UEFI firmware (if supported), then you may need to temporarily disable it until Windows has finished installing to be able to boot from a USB flash drive at boot.

The instructions do not say "when" to do these three things. The last bullet seems to apply after having made the UEFI USB, and just before installing Windows 7. The first two bullets, I don't know if they mean prior to creating UEFI USB, or after. I'm thinking it should occur before creating the USB. The first bullet is really confusing, because the CSM is where I set it to Auto or Enabled in order to use UEFI.

I also am a little leery of disabling Secure Boot. Am I going to lose the Keys that are stored, for when I need to Enable again? I also could not figure out how to change Secure Boot to Disable, as it only displays and is not adjustable. I tried changing CSM to Disabled and I also changed the OS Type on the Secure Boot screen from Windows UEFI mode, to Other OS. But the Secure Boot continued to be Enabled.

Any help answering these questions will be appreciated.

Kix
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Last bullet point, do it before you start if you find it causing problems. Might as well just do it and then enable them back after install.

Secure Boot is separate so if you need to then disable it. If you want GPT install (you do) then you need CSM disabled.
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Last bullet point, do it before you start if you find it causing problems. Might as well just do it and then enable them back after install.

Secure Boot is separate so if you need to then disable it. If you want GPT install (you do) then you need CSM disabled.

Thanks for the reply. Disabling Fast Boot and setting CSM to Disabled is simple. When it comes to disabling Secure Boot, I guess I'll wait to see if I have issues first. But I am curious... How does Secure Boot get set to Disabled, since it isn't adjustable? The Z170 manual is not very clear about this (to me). Does a person delete all of the keys under Key Management (after first saving them to USB, so they can be reloaded)?

Thanks,
Kix
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Disabling Fast Boot and setting CSM to Disabled is simple.

Change that statement to "Disabling Fast Boot is simple".

When I disable Launch CSM, I no longer have my SSD drive that has Win7 loaded in order to boot, in order to create the UEFI bootable USB. Do I need to reinstall Windows 7 while having Boot Devices Control set to "Legacy OPROM Only"?

Or, is it as simple as creating the UEFI bootable USB using an older computer that doesn't have UEFI?

Thanks.
Edited by KixNGrins - 1/25/16 at 6:39pm
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Well, I tried using a UEFI bootable USB I made at work today on a machine that I don't think has UEFI (not 100% sure). I get the same thing I've been getting while trying to load directly from my Install DVD with CSM set to Enabled and Boot Device Control set to UEFI Only. However, it did make it a little further once UEFI screen closes. With the UEFI USB, the first time I ran it, it loaded Windows files, but when it got to the Windows screen where there are 4 balls coming together, it locked up and my monitor powered itself off. Second time I tried it, I got a black screen with underscores bouncing around a few areas, then it locked up and shut my monitor off (didn't even make it to any Windows screens....

The strange thing is, when I set Launch CSM to Disabled, my UEFI USB drive was listed in my Boot Order screen and was preceded by UEFI: in the name. Not knowing what to expect, I thought by setting CSM to disabled, I would not see anything UEFI related.
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When it comes to disabling Secure Boot, I guess I'll wait to see if I have issues first. But I am curious... How does Secure Boot get set to Disabled, since it isn't adjustable?

Thanks,
Kix

Choose "other OS".

On your second post, you're obviously running win7 in MBR right, disable CSM and problem happens - it doesn't exist supposedly. Anyhow, I'm little lost what you're trying to do..?

1) Use Rufus to create a bootable USB with EFI: GPT partition scheme for UEFI
2) Use the ISO to burn it there
3) Disable CSM etc etc so it appears in your boot menu (see earlier questions)
4) Boot from it and install

I think you need some specific Win7 driver there too, I'm sure someone has linked that to you previously? I don't do Win7 so I'm not sure on that part but that's a one-off easy thing once you find it.
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Choose "other OS".

On your second post, you're obviously running win7 in MBR right, disable CSM and problem happens - it doesn't exist supposedly. Anyhow, I'm little lost what you're trying to do..?

1) Use Rufus to create a bootable USB with EFI: GPT partition scheme for UEFI
2) Use the ISO to burn it there
3) Disable CSM etc etc so it appears in your boot menu (see earlier questions)
4) Boot from it and install

I think you need some specific Win7 driver there too, I'm sure someone has linked that to you previously? I don't do Win7 so I'm not sure on that part but that's a one-off easy thing once you find it.

Yes to steps 1-4. I can only seem to do step #1 on a different machine because when I switch CSM to disable on the machine I'm putting together, I can't see in my Boot Menu, a drive that's got Win 7 installed (it's a drive I installed Win7 on in the wrong fashion). The instructions I found and shared link above, seem to imply I should be making the UEFI USB on the same machine as I'm trying to build.

If I use a UEFI USB made on another machine, when I try step #4 after setting CSM to Disable, I can see it listed in my Boot Menu (preceded with UEFI:). Ican can see it black screen with a white progress bar that says Loading Windows files (does this twice). The Starting Windows screens appears with the four colored orbs circling each other. Then, my it reboots my PC. When I press F2 to view my UEFI, the CSM has automatically been reset to Enabled. I did press Save & Restart when I changed CSM to Disabled in step #3.

I'm trying to install Win7 on an interim SSD drive (GPT partition) in order to add NVMe drivers, then clone that over to my Samsung 950 M.2 NVMe SSD that I want to use for Apps. The interim SSD will then be used for data.
Edited by KixNGrins - 1/25/16 at 10:46pm
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Well, I spent the last 3-4 days trying just about every combination of CSM settings. I think Deders was on the right track by questioning my Win7 Installation DVD. I also think my bootable USB was set up incorrectly, which is why neither allowed me to load WIN7 in UEFI mode. When it did work and actually install Windows, it was doing so by fluke when CSM was set to Auto, and actually using UEFI & Legacy OPROM setting.

I found a link on how to create an UEFI bootable USB using a program called Rufus and downloaded a copy of Win7 64-bit ISO file from Microsoft:

http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/15458-uefi-bootable-usb-flash-drive-create-windows.html

Although the instructions are fairly straight-forward, I'm a little confused on a couple of requirements/instructions and need some advice and help.

Do you now have a version of windows with the UFI folder on the boot drive? It shouldn't matter which PC it was created on or whether it has UEFI, the image should contain all the info it needs.
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•Set the boot mode to use UEFI and not CSM (Compatibility Support Module) in your UEFI firmware settings.
•Temporarily disable Secure Boot in your UEFI firmware settings. Some motherboards will not boot from a USB unless you do this first. When the Windows installation is finished, you can enable secure boot if you like.
•If you have fast boot or ultra-fast boot enabled in your UEFI firmware (if supported), then you may need to temporarily disable it until Windows has finished installing to be able to boot from a USB flash drive at boot.

The instructions do not say "when" to do these three things. The last bullet seems to apply after having made the UEFI USB, and just before installing Windows 7. The first two bullets, I don't know if they mean prior to creating UEFI USB, or after. I'm thinking it should occur before creating the USB. The first bullet is really confusing, because the CSM is where I set it to Auto or Enabled in order to use UEFI.

I also am a little leery of disabling Secure Boot. Am I going to lose the Keys that are stored, for when I need to Enable again? I also could not figure out how to change Secure Boot to Disable, as it only displays and is not adjustable. I tried changing CSM to Disabled and I also changed the OS Type on the Secure Boot screen from Windows UEFI mode, to Other OS. But the Secure Boot continued to be Enabled.

Any help answering these questions will be appreciated.

Kix

First point, So long as you don't set CSM to enabled or legacy, it will be able to use UEFI boot. If fully disabling CSM causes you issues, then set it to Auto. Set this before you install windows.
Second point, worth trying if you can't see the USB drive after a couple of restarts.
Third point, again worth trying if you have no success, but I'd re-enable Secure boot first and then disable it if that doesn't work, just to find out which setting is affecting it.
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Change that statement to "Disabling Fast Boot is simple".

When I disable Launch CSM, I no longer have my SSD drive that has Win7 loaded in order to boot, in order to create the UEFI bootable USB. Do I need to reinstall Windows 7 while having Boot Devices Control set to "Legacy OPROM Only"?

Or, is it as simple as creating the UEFI bootable USB using an older computer that doesn't have UEFI?

Thanks.

The bios just doesn't detect any bootable data on those drives yet. it can still see them and so should the Windows install process.
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I get the same thing I've been getting while trying to load directly from my Install DVD with CSM set to Enabled and Boot Device Control set to UEFI Only. However, it did make it a little further once UEFI screen closes. With the UEFI USB, the first time I ran it, it loaded Windows files, but when it got to the Windows screen where there are 4 balls coming together, it locked up and my monitor powered itself off. Second time I tried it, I got a black screen with underscores bouncing around a few areas, then it locked up and shut my monitor off (didn't even make it to any Windows screens....

The strange thing is, when I set Launch CSM to Disabled, my UEFI USB drive was listed in my Boot Order screen and was preceded by UEFI: in the name. Not knowing what to expect, I thought by setting CSM to disabled, I would not see anything UEFI related.

Setting CSM to disable or Auto is the only way you'll see a UEFI prefix. Compatibility Support Module is only there to allow for legacy MBR type installations.

How many outputs are connected from you graphics card? When the screen goes blank, have you tried seeing if anything is outputting from the on-board GPU instead? this can sometimes happen.

What do you mean by underscores?
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Choose "other OS".

I think you need some specific Win7 driver there too, I'm sure someone has linked that to you previously? I don't do Win7 so I'm not sure on that part but that's a one-off easy thing once you find it.

I would leave the OS type to UEFI compatible, Other OS is for non UEFI installs.

You can get an extracted version of the Samsung NVMe driver to put in the boot directory of you USB and manually load it during the windows install so it sees your 950 from here. You should then be able to install directly onto the 950.
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