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Do you now have a version of windows with the UFI folder on the boot drive? It shouldn't matter which PC it was created on or whether it has UEFI, the image should contain all the info it needs.

First point, So long as you don't set CSM to enabled or legacy, it will be able to use UEFI boot. If fully disabling CSM causes you issues, then set it to Auto. Set this before you install windows.

How many outputs are connected from you graphics card? When the screen goes blank, have you tried seeing if anything is outputting from the on-board GPU instead? this can sometimes happen.

What do you mean by underscores?

Thanks for the reply, Deders.

Even after creating the UEFI USB from the ISO file, I still do not see a UFI folder. I do have a folder named EFI which contains two folders, Boot (which has a single file bootx64.efi) and Microsoft (which contains another folder named Boot).

Tonight I'll try disabling Secure Boot, next try connecting HDMI cable directly to mobo instead of GPU (I only have one GPU), and then try CSM = Auto one more time.

Concerning the underscores, if you imagine a diagonal line from upper left corner of screen to lower right, it flashes an underscore several times in the upper right corner, then flashes underscore several times mid-way between upper right corner and center of screen.

In searching Google, I see many other people have had this issue over the past 3-4 years while try to load Windows 7. Windows begins to load files, switches to "Starting Windows" screen which has the four animated color spots above Win7 logo, then everything freezes. Mine doesn't freeze, but it reboots my computer and also automatically changes my CSM setting back to Enabled in UEFI. Unfortunately, I have yet to find a true fix for the problem. All of the fixes I've seen, is switch to Compatibility mode and load Windows 7 to MBR partitioned drive. Yes that works as a band-aid to install Win7 (which is where I currently am), but they don't realize it's really not in UEFI mode when booting...

I would like to over-clock at some point in time, but figure what's the point if I'm loading my OS in a "less than optimum performance" manner.

Thanks again,
Kix

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I just flashed my Gene to the latest 1402 Bios and noticed an issue. I can't manually adjust the duty cycle of my CPU Fan header. Max, Medium and Min duty cycle all show 100 and if I put in a different number and press enter, it goes straight back to 100?

Turns out you can't manually adjust the PWM Duty Cycles on the Swiftech H220-X. I swapped out to my Noctua NH-D15S setup and the controls work fine with the PWM Fan.

Would I also be able to get some help stabilizing my OC? So far, I'm stress testing with Realbench and it's BSOD'ing during the Handbrake. Temps hover around 75-80 degrees. Have not touched Ram or Cache yet as I'm trying to dial in the Core first and it's driving me bonkers at 4.6GHz.
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Thanks for the reply, Deders.

Even after creating the UEFI USB from the ISO file, I still do not see a UFI folder. I do have a folder named EFI which contains two folders, Boot (which has a single file bootx64.efi) and Microsoft (which contains another folder named Boot).

Tonight I'll try disabling Secure Boot, next try connecting HDMI cable directly to mobo instead of GPU (I only have one GPU), and then try CSM = Auto one more time.

Concerning the underscores, if you imagine a diagonal line from upper left corner of screen to lower right, it flashes an underscore several times in the upper right corner, then flashes underscore several times mid-way between upper right corner and center of screen.

In searching Google, I see many other people have had this issue over the past 3-4 years while try to load Windows 7. Windows begins to load files, switches to "Starting Windows" screen which has the four animated color spots above Win7 logo, then everything freezes. Mine doesn't freeze, but it reboots my computer and also automatically changes my CSM setting back to Enabled in UEFI. Unfortunately, I have yet to find a true fix for the problem. All of the fixes I've seen, is switch to Compatibility mode and load Windows 7 to MBR partitioned drive. Yes that works as a band-aid to install Win7 (which is where I currently am), but they don't realize it's really not in UEFI mode when booting...

I would like to over-clock at some point in time, but figure what's the point if I'm loading my OS in a "less than optimum performance" manner.

Thanks again,
Kix

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I meant EFI, it should be ok.

Changing back to legacy isn't a good sign, maybe it things something isn't compatible. If you get the chance, load GPUz up and see if the UEFI capable bios box ticked. What GPU do you have and which vbios version? Is there a UEFI compatible vbios update? Could be worth trying to see if it installs properly when just using the IGP.

Do you still get the drive light flashing when windows loads?
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Turns out you can't manually adjust the PWM Duty Cycles on the Swiftech H220-X. I swapped out to my Noctua NH-D15S setup and the controls work fine with the PWM Fan.

Would I also be able to get some help stabilizing my OC? So far, I'm stress testing with Realbench and it's BSOD'ing during the Handbrake. Temps hover around 75-80 degrees. Have not touched Ram or Cache yet as I'm trying to dial in the Core first and it's driving me bonkers at 4.6GHz.
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Changing back to legacy isn't a good sign, maybe it thinks something isn't compatible. If you get the chance, load GPUz up and see if the UEFI capable bios box ticked. What GPU do you have and which vbios version? Is there a UEFI compatible vbios update? Could be worth trying to see if it installs properly when just using the IGP.

Do you still get the drive light flashing when windows loads?

So, I tried I first tried to disable Secure Boot. I changed OS Type to "Other OS" and rebooted. After checking UEFI bios, I could see the Key Mangemen was "Unloaded" but Secure Boot still was set to Enable. I'm not sure that changing OS Type actually disabled Secure Boot, or if the PK Mangement being unloaded is preventing Secure Boot from working. Either way, loading WIN7 from the UEFI Bootable USB failed at the same place, booting my mobo and reverting my UEFI CMS setting to Enabled. On Secure Boot screen, I set OS Type back to UEFI.

I tried changing Launch CSM to "Auto" again and rebooted to the UEFI USB (which I forgot to try last night with the new UEFI USB). No change in results.

My GPU is an EVGA GeForce GTW 980 Ti FTW. I removed the GPU and connected the monitor directly to the Z170D via HDMI, and tried loading Win7 again. Same results. Win 7 still reboots when I see the Starting Windows screen, and also changes my UEFI CSM setting back to enabled.

While I had the 980 Ti GPU out, I downloaded GPU-Z and ran it. It showed the UEFI Capable Bios as unchecked. Not sure if that's a clue, or if it's unchecked because I booted into Win 7 using CSM Enabled and Legacy OPROM on MBR partitioned drive. I reinstalled my GPU and updated the latest drivers from EVGA website. I didn't see any vBIOS updates listed, but maybe it's a part of updating the drivers? I rebooted and tried to load Win 7 again via UEFI USB drive, and it made no difference. I opened CPU-Z, and things looked different than when I was using stock Z170-D HDMI output. I can't find a UEFI capability checkbox in CPU-Z, and I don't see a BIOS version for the GPU either. From reading about the Nvidia GTX series, I see they have a special software to update the vBios, so I'm doubting that updating the drivers also updates the BIOS. But I'm not sure why EVGA site doesn't list any available, and not sure if I can use a different MFR's bios without running a very expensive GPU. Guess maybe I should contact EVGA about that.... I did notice that the logo in CPU-z switched from Intel to Nvidia, depending if I was running stock Z170-D or EVGA GTX 980 vide outputs.

In a previous post, I mentioned seeing many people with the same issue. It's not ASUS specific, or specific to the Z170's. It's a broad issue, and I can't understand why I can't find a fix going back 4 years of reading about this on various forums (aside from loading with CSM enabled and calling it "good"). I don't understand why some people have been able to be successful in loading WIN 7 in UEFI mode?

I'm not to the point of capitulation yet (WIn 10 instead of Win 7). It's frustrating...

I appreciate any guidance..

Kix

PS. Looking back at my notes, when I try to upgrade my Video drivers from the ASUS website, I get a message when running that states it failed to update "Doesn't meet minimum requirements." It's version Intel_Graphics_Win7-81-10_VER2019154285
Edited by KixNGrins - 1/26/16 at 9:04pm
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@KixNGrins I know Deders is already helping you, sorry to jump in between.

Tell me if I am wrong, but you are having issues getting Windows 7 to install on your setup or there is more than that going on.? I tried to go through your previous posts, but it was confusing for me. If you don't mind, can you please tell me in short, what exactly is the issue you are facing. Just trying to see if I can be of any help to you. smile.gif
Edited by rt123 - 1/26/16 at 9:47pm
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@Raja@ASUS: Quick question I just noticed this morning (USA east coast time) that all Z170 bios after 10/30/2015 have been pulled from ASUS support pages...was this done in error or is there some issue we should be aware of? I checked 4 different z170 boards to see.

Or anyone else have any idea?

/edit After checking over on the official ROG forums, it appears an inadvertant change was made to the support pages. When you select your OS it only shows up to 10/30/2015 bios, however if you click OTHER instead of a specific OS, it shows all released bios.

Yes, just a server side issue. The files will replicate over soon.
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Hi,

I will be travelling for work from 1/27(today) - early March. Time online will be limited, so won't be on forums much.

-Raja
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@KixNGrins I know Deders is already helping you, sorry to jump in between.

Tell me if I am wrong, but you are having issues getting Windows 7 to install on your setup or there is more than that going on.? I tried to go through your previous posts, but it was confusing for me. If you don't mind, can you please tell me in short, what exactly is the issue you are facing. Just trying to see if I can be of any help to you. smile.gif

I appreciate any help from anyone, rt123. Thanks for responding. In short....as short as I can describe it...

My #1 issue is that I can't get Windows 7 to install on my new build. My goal is to have Win 7 64-bit installed on a Samsung 950 Pro NVMe M.2 512GB SSD on an ASUS Z170-Deluxe mobo, with the 950 installed in the M.2 slot of the mobo and it being my primary drive for OS and Apps. The caveat is that it must be UEFI to take advantage of both UEFI Bios and OS, and any other hardware. Pardon the tone, but I don't want my "new" build to be "Legacy" as much as I can (except the Win 7 thingy). Everything aside from that, that I've posted, is trying to figure out how to do it, and why I can't. Keep in mind, I'm a novice and haven't built a PC in 5 years, so technology has changed a little bit...

I need to deal with my DVD Win 7 install disk not having USB 3.0 drivers, and it also not having NVMe drivers. I chose a route to install to an interim SSD to load Win 7 and the USB 3.0 drivers. Then to install NVMe drivers, and then to clone "that" to the 950 M.2 drive. Maybe that's the wrong route? But I have this gut feeling that it's not the wrong route and I'm over-looking something.

From what I've learned so far and as end results goes is: What I install from must be preceded by [UEFI:] in the Boot Menu, and regardless of what SSD drive it goes to, it must end up as being partitioned as GPT. Maybe I'm wrong here...

When I try to install Win 7 from my UEFI Bootable USB (with UEFI and Launch CSM set to Disabled), I see a black screen that shows "Windows files installing" progress bar at the bottom, twice. Then it shows the "Windows is Starting" screen with the four animated colored dots joining. Then it reboots my PC, and changes my UEFI settings to CSM = Enabled.

My apologies for not making it any shorter, but that is where I'm at, in a nut-shell...

Again, I appreciate your reply and any help.
Kix


My basic system is (I have it stripped down): ASUS Z170-Deluxe, Intel i7-6700, G-Skill 32GB RAM (4x8G 3400MHz),.EVGA !000G PSU, 2x ASUS Blu-Ray ODRs, As far as my SSD's goes, I'm currently using a SanDisk Ultra II 960GB SSD and a SanDisk Ultra II 480GB SSD (in the interim). I removed the Samsung M.2 drive (I hope I don't lose another loose screw in the works when reinstalling).. On the sidelines, I have the 950 Pro NVMe M.2 and the EVGA GX 980 Ti GPU,to install

From whatI've learned,
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Hi KixNGrins,
From MSI site, Win7 from Optical drive = UEFI mode YES, https://service.msicomputer.com/msi_user/support/TechFAQdetail.aspx?formid=3339

From Asrock site, Win7 from Optical drive but using USB k/b & mouse may require changing Bios setting (MSI Bios has this too, but I'm not sure if Asus Bios has this), http://www.asrock.com/microsite/Win7Install/

From Reddit, Win7 + F6 load driver is mentioned, https://www.reddit.com/r/techsupport/comments/3rvoop/samsung_950_pro_nvme_ssd_windows_7_64/

Hope the links provide u more guidance
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