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http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/71423-asus-maximus-viii-extreme-motherboard-review-13.html

On the memory front, we were left a little bit disappointed. While the Maximus VIII Impact was able to run our Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4-4000 memory kit at its full speed - and then some - simply by enabling the XMP Profile, the Extreme was not capable of running at DDR4-4000 at all. Now admittedly ASUS have only certified the Extreme for overclocked frequencies up to DDR4-3866, but the fact that the flagship model can't exceed any and all capabilities of its less prestigious siblings left a slightly bitter taste in our mouths. While the Impact certainly has a physical design advantage due to it only having two DDR4 slots and thus having shorter traces between the processor and memory, the fact that the Z170-PREMIUM - a full-sized model with four memory slots - also supports DDR4-4000 reflects poorly on the Extreme. While there is surely a way to achieve DDR4-4000 on this motherboard through extensive use of the vast number of memory-related manual settings, we were not able to accomplish this feat.

Some people are idiots though. If we are being honest, normally for the best thumb.gif.

I fully intend to post up results next week.

Also the Extreme is a 4 DIMM board, the Impact is a different piece of engineering entirely. If certain reviewers don't see this as a valid excuse, then it would be interesting to hear their thoughts on how this could be improved lol
Edited by Silent Scone - 1/27/16 at 10:04am
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Originally Posted by Deders View Post

The main issue here is that the 950 pro is only really compatible in UEFI mode. When installed in MBR mode (usually by copying an installation over from another source) although it still works, the boot time is extended by about 45 seconds, during which the drive light flashes on and off in a very even pattern, about 4-5 times a second. Not normal drive activity.

Exactly what I experienced the one time I had Win 7 on the 950 Pro (using CSM Enabled and Legacy OPROM, and MBR partition). It took 1 min 55 sec to get to my Win 7 desktop, and 55 sec to shut down. My 5 year old PC was faster than that..) smile.gif

Thanks everyone for the tips. That'll give me quite a few things to look into and try...

Kix
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Originally Posted by Silent Scone View Post

Some people are idiots though. If we are being honest, normally for the best thumb.gif.

I fully intend to post up results next week.

Also the Extreme is a 4 DIMM board, the Impact is a different piece of engineering entirely. If certain reviewers don't see this as a valid excuse, then it would be interesting to hear their thoughts on how this could be improved lol

The kit HWC were trying to run is a kit specifically binned for the Impact (I am their point of contact). 2 DIMM slots only, helps a lot. Sadly, most users don't understand this any better than today's editors do...

The Extreme's specialty is 4 DIMM due to the T-Topology layout.
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Originally Posted by Raja@ASUS View Post

The kit HWC were trying to run is a kit specifically binned for the Impact (I am their point of contact). 2 DIMM slots only, helps a lot. Sadly, most users don't understand this any better than today's editors do...

The Extreme's specialty is 4 DIMM due to the T-Topology layout.


You mean people didn't think to ask the appropriate questions before jumping to the conclusion the board wasn't capable of running that frequency?

Massive amounts of sarcasm should be taken from the above biggrin.gif



Edited by Silent Scone - 1/27/16 at 10:37am
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Originally Posted by Silent Scone View Post

You mean people didn't think to ask the appropriate questions before jumping to the conclusion the board wasn't capable of running that frequency?

Massive amounts of sarcasm should be taken from the above biggrin.gif




Actually, the editor did ask me and I explained. Just not something that folks can grasp easily it seems (self-evident, of course).
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I guess it is fair comment to point out they were unable to achieve stability with the aforementioned kit, but the fact they failed to mention the kit was also not on the vendor listing or the use of T-Top layout on all other boards does seem slap dash. They're not alone in that crime though as far as reviews go. Such is life
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Hey guys, how does the BIOS reset button at the back of the I/O panel work? Do I hold it down until the blue light flashes and then let go? Or just press and release? Thank you!
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You mean people didn't think to ask the appropriate questions before jumping to the conclusion the board wasn't capable of running that frequency?
Massive amounts of sarcasm should be taken from the above biggrin.gifWarning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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I forgot to mention in my last post: I have this DDR4 Kit on my M8F, it isn't in the supported memory list but seems to be running just fine at XMP. Is there any advantage to 4 DIMM kits over 2 DIMM kits on M8F?
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That's the kit I have on the M8E atm...


Only difference being you got it working tongue.gif

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I forgot to mention in my last post: I have this DDR4 Kit on my M8F, it isn't in the supported memory list but seems to be running just fine at XMP. Is there any advantage to 4 DIMM kits over 2 DIMM kits on M8F?

The T-Topology layout is better suited when all the memory slots are populated, even around 3733. T-Top refers to the trace layout which improves things like crosstalk and coupling noise with the end result being it's far easier to maintain stability at higher densities

Even translates well into marketing spew tongue.gif

Better compatibiliteee, reliabilitiee, and gets you better tractionabilitee off the line!
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Second-generation ASUS T-Topology pushes DDR4 memory overclocking to over 3733MHz with all memory slots populated — and that means the best-ever gaming performance from your Maximus VIII Formula rig! Featuring a customized trace layout for reduced crosstalk and coupling noise, second-generation T-Topology ensures time-aligned signal transfer for improved memory stability and compatibility.

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