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DDR4 equivalents are already here.
See Gskills 3200C14 kit.


Unless you meant the same spec as your DDR3, which will never happen. Because it'd be slower.
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DDR4 equivalents are already here.
See Gskills 3200C14 kit.


Unless you meant the same spec as your DDR3, which will never happen. Because it'd be slower.

Why would he mean same spec? The Samsung greens were a quality jump up from regular ddr3 and were so cheap. Like 1/3 of the price for better overclock.

So I take it that he meant, when will we have a bottom price awesome performing set of DDR4.
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Why would he mean same spec? The Samsung greens were a quality jump up from regular ddr3 and were so cheap. Like 1/3 of the price for better overclock.

So I take it that he meant, when will we have a bottom price awesome performing set of DDR4.

You took me right, it's not every day a DIMM gets labelled as 'wonder ram' wink.gif

Plus this memory had a very mediocre 'spec' - you had to play to get the fun speeds...
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Why would he mean same spec? The Samsung greens were a quality jump up from regular ddr3 and were so cheap. Like 1/3 of the price for better overclock.

So I take it that he meant, when will we have a bottom price awesome performing set of DDR4.

I thought he might mean the same spec because there are plenty of people of internet who say why do they keep increasing freq on DDR4, why not bring the Cas down, even if it reduces frequency. Of course, these are the people who don't know overall latency is related to both Cas & frequency, not just Cas.
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You took me right, it's not every day a DIMM gets labelled as 'wonder ram' wink.gif

Plus this memory had a very mediocre 'spec' - you had to play to get the fun speeds...

I dunno where you two have been looking, but there has already been a wonder RAM like IC for DDR4. A major reason that DDR4 prices have decreased so much since X99 launch is because, currently, majority of kits on market are using Samsung ICs, while at DDR4 launch, it was Hynix ICs, which were more expensive.

Samsung started with D-die & is currently using E-die (4GB modules) & B-die (8GB modules). The good thing about both current Samsung ICs on the market ,is that, regardless of manufacturer bins, all kits clock fairly similar, with voltage being the only differentiating factor. So you can get the cheapest bin that has those ICs & get the same performance as the expensive one, with more voltage.

Lastly, depending on your skills, these kits can do a lot of 'fun' things.
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I thought he might mean the same spec because there are plenty of people of internet who say why do they keep increasing freq on DDR4, why not bring the Cas down, even if it reduces frequency. Of course, these are the people who don't know overall latency is related to both Cas & frequency, not just Cas.
I dunno where you two have been looking, but there has already been a wonder RAM like IC for DDR4. A major reason that DDR4 prices have decreased so much since X99 launch is because, currently, majority of kits on market are using Samsung ICs, while at DDR4 launch, it was Hynix ICs, which were more expensive.

Samsung started with D-die & is currently using E-die (4GB modules) & B-die (8GB modules). The good thing about both current Samsung ICs on the market ,is that, regardless of manufacturer bins, all kits clock fairly similar, with voltage being the only differentiating factor. So you can get the cheapest bin that has those ICs & get the same performance as the expensive one, with more voltage.

Lastly, depending on your skills, these kits can do a lot of 'fun' things.

Ok briliant. Point me to where I can buy the B-die modules directly without the heatspreaders etc......

To be honest your missing the entire point of what we were talking about really.
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A week ago I installed a Asus Pro Gaming Z170 (i7 6800k, 8Gb DDR4 2400) in default setting, windows 10 clean install on Samsung 950 m.2, that worked fine. Then in the EZ mode screen I switched to Performance that worked fine for a couple of days. Yesterday, when I switched back to Standard and restarted the system it didn't even go to the EZ mode screen. Only after clearing the RTC ram the system goes via the AMI Bios to the EZ mode screen. In that EZ mode I must use F8 to start the WINDOWS Boot manager and then the system boots and runs with no further problems. Every time I shut down I have to go through this route to get my system running.

What is causing this and how could I possibly solve this?
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Ok briliant. Point me to where I can buy the B-die modules directly without the heatspreaders etc......

To be honest your missing the entire point of what we were talking about really.

B-die without heatspreaders, http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007611%20600521523%20600006072&IsNodeId=1&Description=Geil%20Dragon%20RAM&name=16GB%20%282%20x%208GB%29&Order=BESTMATCH

Technically correct biggrin.gif

Jokes aside, this is what you want, https://www.google.com/search?q=M378A1K43BB1&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=M378A1K43BB1-crc&start=10
Looks to be Europe for now. Maybe supply issues considering B-die only showed up on Egg, during the last week of December.

Not missing the entire point.
Wonder RAM was cheap, came directly from Samsung, default specs were unimpressive but great OC capability & performance.

B-die satisfies all the points IMO, except the middle one, and that's a good thing. When going for high freq, which is typical with DDR4, you need the thicker PCBs from Gskill & CO.
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Hey guys I am going to upgrade to skylake and I decided to go with asus z170 motherboard.Should I buy asus z170a or maximus hero?Which do u think is better?I am new to overclocking so I am not planning to extreme overcloking.Also I want help for the ram.I am considering buying G.Skill RipjawsV 16GB DDR4-3000MHz but they arent officialy supported by asus(http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/LGA1151/Z170-A/Z170-A_DRAM_QVL_20160113.pdf) .Should I go for hyperx 26666 Mhz which have officially compatibility?
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I saw this comment on Ripjaws V vs Trident Z;

"Factory heatspreader is a joke. It serves decorative purpose only. It does not touch the 4 chips in the center. Bad design! I'd recommend Trident Z series instead of these just because of the heatspreader."

http://tinyurl.com/j6f355x
Edited by oparr - 2/14/16 at 8:16am
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I wanted to go to Win10 but not update my old Z68 guts, so I just put together a Z170 Pro Gaming bundle. Open box from the egg, missing IO shield which is a bummer but everything else is good. BIOS was crazy out of date, updated that, installed Win10 onto a Crucial M.2, no probs. Smooth sailing with 3000Mhz Corsair LPX and an i3 6300.
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